Under those circumstances, by that teen, on that neighbourhood watch guy, yes, I still don’t think it passes the smell test.
Anyone who is game enough to march up to a much larger guy and lay hands on them shouldn’t be intimidated or alarmed by someone so obviously not the furtive criminal type, as TM. Why you want to believe that he’d suddenly become so bumbling and helpless when a threat actually arose, despite him being prepared to put his rep on the line as a doorman, even just once, only you know.
Fighting where, may I ask? In situations where there is no referee to call a halt to proceedings?
The street is a different place entirely from the competition arena. There might be millions out there watching UFC and thinking they can do that, but it’s far harder than it looks even, and most untrained fighters just can’t pull off the stuff that a decent mma guy or gal can. Your typical unexperienced streetfighter tends to rely on the windmill and hope technique.
I agree in some hypothetical situation this might be the best plan of action, in the vast majority of instances it will only result in you ending up in jail or dead.
I’m all for them. One time, I smacked a guy because I suspected he was going to smack me. I didn’t totally rock him, just caught his attention and stopped him in his tracks, and that’s because I wasn’t trying to sucker-punch him, I was just waiting for the slightest sign of hostility from him and responding.
Obviously, he wasn’t pleased and he told me he was going to knock my head off, so I stood there and told him to make a move. He came in swinging, I took his punches on my arms and almost caught him with my left elbow before pushing him away. That made him a bit more wary. Every time I stepped forward, he backed off and that went on for a minute or so before a shopkeeper came out and told us to pack it in. Coming to my senses and realising a crowd was gathering, I thought it was time to get off.
I still had a trip to the shop to do, so I decided to head there while keeping my eye on this guy as he walked behind me, telling me how I was going to be dead when he saw me again. I told him if it was going to be like that, we may as well get it over now, and he started waffling about how I’d sucker-punched him and he couldn’t let me get away with that.
That’s when I asked would he call it quits if he had a free hit back and he started grinning and said “Is that what you want?”
I replied, “Is it fuck, but if that’s what it’ll take to put this behind us,” and I let him start edging closer. I lowered my hands as he moved within a couple of feet from me, and next thing he gave me a left hook right on the side of the face. Stepping back immediately to admire his work, he was a little taken aback to see me rub my face, then say “Nice shot. Now shall we shake on it?” as I held my hand out.
This feisty young buck grinned again, took my hand, called me a mad bastard and walked off tapping away on his mobile.
You are making up reasons why something that didn’t happen, didn’t happen. That is unnecessary.
Two statements. Both wrong.
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Under those circumstances, by that teen, on that neighbourhood watch guy, yes, I still don’t think it passes the smell test.
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Right - you are simply rejecting it because it contradicts what you want to believe, despite the evidence.
I am not even sure what you are talking about. There is no evidence that Zimmerman laid hands on Martin. There is considerable evidence that Zimmerman considered Martin to be a possible suspect for crimes such as burglary. There is no evidence that Zimmerman considered his reputation to be on the line when Martin attacked him.
You do realize that we can tell when you make things up, don’t you?
A pretty accurate assessment.
Though surprise is on the side of the one that throws the first unexpected punch.
I am not sure where you mean this to go other than contradicting Shodan and others. How does your interpretation of Martin’s fighting skills fit with the known evidence?
Do you think Martin punched Zimmerman out of fear (in self defense) and failed to subdue him? That Zimmerman punched himself? That mysterious 3rd party intervened? I am curious.
thanks.
Not at all. There are 2 separate shops that would have had my punch and his punch on their cctv cameras. If they ever appear on youtube, I’ll point them out.
If I knew the shopkeeper’s, I’d go in with a memory stick and ask them to knock me a copy up. I’d love to see how much venom he put in his punch, because it surprised me that he hadn’t hurt me from the sound of the crack it made. I guess I must just have a leathery Anderson Silva head.
I am talking about when Z tried to manhandle an undercover cop. You’re forgetting how impetuous Z can get when he thinks someone is in the wrong place, doing the wrong thing.
And if it isn’t completely effective in incapacitating the person you are attacking, all you’ll have done is flipped your opponents adrenaline switch on and pissed them off. The idea that TM hit Z so hard that he stumbled blindly for as long as he did before falling, and yet didn’t take full advantage of his position and kick and punch Z all the way there, just doesn’t gel.
I think TM has approached Z non-threateningly, Z has made a grab for him, they’ve both struggled and fallen to the ground, TM has tried to get back up while Z held on to the front of his hoody, Z has managed to switch positions so he was above TM, he’s pulled out his gun and shot Trayvon in the heart.
I believe if it had happened as he describes and he was in as much fear as he stated when he took out his gun, he’d have fired until his gun was empty.
DeeDee’s statement doesn’t make any sense. It’s roughly half a mile to the 7-11, so you’d have to believe Martin spent roughly half an hour inside the “mail thing” before Zimmerman got there. Does anyone really believe that? If you’re only seconds from home, why would you stop at a “mail thing?” You’re not going to get much wetter. Then Martin loses Zimmerman for several minutes, while apparently walking to Brandi Green;s place. He could have returned home four times in that amount of time. If by losing Zimmerman he meant rounding the corner of the T, likely one of the few ways it could have happened, it’s amazing he could only go thirty feet in a few minutes.
It’s obvious he wasn’t in any particular rush to get back to babysitting his step-bro, and it’s not like he was out in the middle of a storm, so it’s hardly unusual that he might want to stay outdoors.
If indeed he did ever catch Z’s eye when he was using the cut-through by Taafe’s house, he probably wasn’t that concerned about Z until his car appeared again when he’d took shelter by the mailboxes. Isn’t that supposed to be about when TM first mentioned Z to DD?
A) I’m not surprised you have served time.
B) If you think that scenario will always be the norm, make sure your life and health insurances are up to date.
What would be the point of making stuff up? I have no internet presence to promote, or need to establish a reputation of any sort. Nobody knows who I am and my comments can be believed or disbelieved at the reader’s leisure.
I agree. The evidence we have and Z’s account just don’t add up. Anything is possible and the old axiom “stranger things have happened” is often true, but I suspect there was something else going on.
I suspect pretty much the same, though I doubt Z was on top when he fired. If he had been, the hoody would have been back against Martin’s body and we should have seen evidence of a contact shot on both the hoody and the body. Evidence suggests the the hoody was some distance from the body when the shot was fired. Either hanging down as Martin was bent over Z as he says, or pulled away as Z clutched at it to keep Martin from fleeing (as I suspect).
Perhaps. Hard to say. Evidence kind of goes both ways as to how people react.
I would add that if Z were on top in a controlling position I would be a little surprised that he would pull his gun at that time. Presuming he had some training in how to neutralize an aggressive individual. Totally my take, but I think given what we know about Z the draw was much more likely a last ditch effort to exert authority over a Martin that was just about to break free and escape. The single shot could easily have been an accidental* discharge.
*proper terminology for firing before you intended. I am not suggesting this reduces his culpability in any way.