Zimmerman, true, has said Martin threatened his life, but he also described a physical attack by Martin, and he exhibits injuries consistent with a physical attack.
Zimmerman’s statement as you would have it sounds as though he said, “Martin threatened to kill me, and for this, and no other reason, I shot him.”
But that’s not the case. Zimmerman’s claim includes both the verbal threat (for which there is no corroborating or contradictory evidence) and the physical attack, for which there is corroborating evidence.
The physical attack was not the reason that supposedly made Zimmmerman reach for his gun and pull the trigger, based on his written statement.
He claimed Martin caught sight of his weapon and moved to grab it. He claimed that Martin also threatened him. It was only then, says Zimmerman, that he thought to defend himself with lethal force. He didn’t even know he had a gun until Martin reminded him he had it, remember? And what judge is going to believe that shit?
If what Zimmerman says is true about the threat, he would have had a valid claim for self-defense even if no physicial fight had occurred. Sure, we can fanwank a scenario in which he killed Martin because of the blows to his head, but that is not what Zimmerman says is what caused him to pull the trigger. This can’t be ignored just because he had some blood on his head, sorry.
If he wanted to kill Martin he had ample opportunities to do it both legally and illegally. He chose to call the police and stay in his car when Martin approached him. It was well into a beating that this occurred.
If we accept this as true, that means we have to accept that the alleged beating didn’t cause Zimmerman to shoot Martin. It was the alleged threat and grab.
As compelling it is to talk endlessly about broken noses and lacerations, these injuries are besides the point.
Wrong. If we accept it as true, that means he forgot he had the gun as the means of defending himself against the threat of death/great bodily harm until then. Not that there was no such threat.
logically the injuries reinforce the point. When someone pummels another without any signs of ending and there is a struggle for a gun then the aggressor’s actions indicate imminent danger.
You can choose to disbelieve Zimmerman’s statement that Martin threatened him at the start of the fight but the physical evidence indicates Martin intended serious harm to Zimmerman.
Doesn’t mean there was a threat either. Irrelevant either way.
Zimmerman’s problem is that when he gets on a lying streak, he can’t stop and his mouth starts sabotaging his own case. If he hadn’t made up the whole bit about being smothered, he might just have been okay. But he screwed up with that. Not only did he disqualify himself as the screamer on that tape by saying that, but he fucked up his own claim about Martin threatening him. It’s comedy and tragedy all in one.
Rats One of them stated it was BS that the mail shed was enclosed, which is why I provided the link. I always thought something with a roof, windows, and siding wouldn’t qualify as being open to view.
Why couldn’t a judge believe his statements made during the walk through? Why would a judge have to believe or disbelieve only Zimmerman’s written statement, and not treat the written statement as simply the part of his story that he was able to recall at that moment?
If Zimmerman is found to have acted in self-defense at the SYG hearing, and consequently immune from both criminal and civil consequences, what will you say?
Who got banned?
I think I was the one who called bullshit. But I don’t seem to be banned. At least not afaict.
If it had walls, it’d be harder to see inside. If it had walls and a door, it’d be more like it was enclosed, imho.
I have never sen any pictures of that shed with windows.
The picture you posted shows an open access structure with a roof and some support columns.
Do you have anything which actually makes that structure look enclosed?
Also, have you found any evidence you’re willing to present which backs up the assertion that it’s quicker to enter the neighborhood from the south when travelling from the 7-11 which is to the northwest of the neighborhood?
Cause I called bullshit on that one too.
If you have opera, or some other browser that allows magnification, go to the link i provided, you can see that it’s a window, with walls surrounding it. If Trayvon had gone east, than along RiverView Circle, it would have taken him quicker to Brandi’s front door, instead of a convoluted trip through the development.. .Not that it matters. The antiZimmerman on YouTube managed the trip from the 7-11 in 12 minutes. According to DD Trayvon ran because of the rain. Zimmerman phoned in forty minutes after Trayvon left the store. (time stamps)
Have you looked at the reenactment? The video is consistent with his statement when it comes to that part. It was one of the few non-inconsistencies between the two stories.
Him saying he forgot he had a gun until Martin threatened him is a detail he expresses during a taped interrogation. And it’s an explicit admission too. Why would the judge turn a blind eye to this? That would be akin to cherrypicking evidence. It’s an important nugget of information because (if we accept it as true) it effectively splits the whole encounter into two parts: The Scuffle and The Gun Grab. We have evidence for the former, but none for the latter, and its the latter that resulted in Martin being shot supposedly.
Lol. I’ll ask why are you so invested in the words that come out of my keyboard?
The path closest to a straight line involves the cut through between the houses on the western part of the circle and then following as best as possible the hypotenuse made by the northern and eastern sections of RVC.
That approximation of the hypotenuse runs past the clubhouse, down twin trees.
There’s no way to come into the neighborhood from the south without walking the legs of a triangle instead of it’s hypotenuse.
The straight line from the northwest to the southeast is always going to be shorter than going east then south or going south then east. It’s geometry.
Even if you’re correct about the time stamps, I am not sure it matters one whit what M was doing during that time before he was spotted by Z.