It only takes two people to say something similar for you to be wrong in your assertion that it’s a misconception that “some people think Martin has no reason to be suspicious.”
It only takes one person to say something similar for Steophan to be wrong in his assertion that “No-one’s asserted that [“some people think Martin has no reason to be suspicious.”]”
It was an irrelevant point when you made it. and it hasn’t become any more meaningful.
Is that what it was?
Can you explain teh assertion’s relevance? Cause it still seems pointless whether or not I believe that “some people think Martin has no reason to be suspicious” or not.
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I’d again offer that I didn’t say that someone from this board made the statement.
I was just pointing out the silliness of the original statement of your assessment of my mental state in re whether or not “some people think Martin has no reason to be suspicious.”
let me rephrase that. You can’t expect to be taken seriously by asking for a cite of something someone says doesn’t exist. You are of course free to say whatever you like.
Who is saying this? WTH are you talking about?
I didn’t make it.
??? Stephan challenged what you said as follows:
I don’t know what the relevance was. You’re the person making the statement. You tell us. It’s been challenged.
That’s not what I responded to though. You claimed people had asserted that Martin should have been cooperative instead of being suspicious. Apart from the fact that they’re not mutually exclusive, I was referring mainly to the first part, as it’s his behaviour that’s relevant, not his state of mind.
It doesn’t matter if he was suspicious. Being suspicious doesn’t give you the right to punch someone in the head. Or anywhere else for that matter.
In other news, JoelUpchurch was true to his word and hasn’t logged on since his last post in this thread*. At least one person is able to admit he was wrong, so there’s hope for the rest of you!
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Probably the worst part here is that you two boys engaged in a needless pissing match over a ‘point’ that is ultimately going to be futile and most likely get very little attention during the proceedings.
Curious (as this is gun related to some extent) the public views this case now after the clear increased interest in gun ownership - indicated by all the recent firearms sales in the wake of the shootings.
Makes you wonder if the potential jurors will arrive with a stronger belief in wielding a gun, more so than they did last year.
I’m kind of sad Joel is gone. After all that grandstanding about the timeline, it would be interesting to see what the truth has done to his position. Is it exactly the same? Or has it forced him to consider that maybe, just maybe, Zimmerman used those 2 unaccounted for minutes to look for Martin?
Again, there is no unaccounted for minutes by Zimmerman. Under no circumstances can you equate his walk through with a second by second account. This is clear by his recall of what happened that it wasn’t a linear account. He gave information out of sequence as best as he could recall them.
considering where the fight started the time that needs to be accounted for is Martin’s as well as his location at the top of the T. This is such a glaring WTF moment in the events of that night. We know that Zimmerman was talking in a clearly audible manner on the phone because we can hear the conversation. We know Martin lowered his voice toward the end of his conversation with Dee Dee per her testimony. He went from being next to his house (which he had ample time to walk to) to a state of stealth and then confrontation. Zimmerman is not hiding his location and is walking in plain sight and talking in normal volume.
The phone call accounts are consistent with Zimmerman’s account that Martin approached him. Martin comes from the same direction as his house. Zimmerman has no way of knowing this when he gave testimony to the police. The dropped flashlight is where the confrontation starts. The sounds of one person running by and then another as well as the sounds of the confrontation are all consistent with Zimmerman’s account. All of it.
Unless there is something totally unknown to us this case should have gone to a Grand Jury where it would have been dismissed outright.
Why would Zimmerman look for Martin after he got off the phone? By than Martin should have been so long gone there should be no point in looking for him. This isn’t a walled in compound. Unless Zimmerman is psychic, he’d have no way of knowing Martin was still in the area. (Zimmerman did stop when the dispatcher suggested he do so. Anyone can tell that by the fact his breathing slowed down, and the wind whistling past his phone stopped. Of course, Zimmerman never disobeyed the dispatcher by allegedly ignoring the suggestion not to get out of his vehicle. Zimmerman was already out of his vehicle before the dispatcher said not to follow.
We don’t have to infer anything from his walk through to know he lacks an alibi for the 2 minutes before the fight. It’s a matter of subtraction. We know when he got of the phone with the dispatcher, and we have a good idea when the encounter started. In between those events, there’s a block of time that begs for an explanation.
We don’t know that the fight started at the T. There are clues that it might have started there, but they don’t constitute proof.
At least one witness reported hearing the fight move south-to-north.
It’s possible he heard his voice. The guy was on the phone, remember? If he heard someone carrying on a conversation somewhere in the area, that might have led him to believe it was Martin.
It’s also possible that Zimmerman was walking down RCV (or even the dog path) while talking to the dispatcher. We have no reason to believe he ever stopped pursuing Martin, his claims notwithstanding.
There was no point in him getting out of his truck to look for street sign in the middle of the street, either. You believe that, right?
he doesn’t need an alibi for anything. The evidence shows he’s where he said he was. His testimony has to be refuted. Martin has traveled away from where he stated he was. That has to be refuted. The evidence indicated Martin went out of his way to confront Zimmerman.
The evidence reinforces Zimmerman’s account of what happened. He is presumed innocent unless you have proof to the contrary. If his flashlight was by Martin’s house, that would indicate Zimmerman’s presence there. But it wasn’t. It was in the area Zimmerman indicated he was in when the fight started.
His tactical flashlight–the one that was inoperative–was found south of Martin’s body. And that is the only flashlight he reported carrying on the night of the shooting. Zimmerman never acknowledged having the key fob flashlight in his taped accounts or written statements.
’Holes’ in the 'official story’
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A common theme running through conspiracy thinking is that if you’re smart enough, and just look closely enough at all the news coverage and available information, you can see lies and contradictions in accounts of the event.*
Maybe that explains all the assertions that GZ is being prosecuted because of some conspiracy rather than for the simpler explanation that there’s reason to believe that GZ has done something wrong.
They look at the official story that there’s good reason to prosecute GZ and then figure out how the official story is just a cover up, people trying to CYA, etc.