Martin/Zimmerman: humble opinions and speculation thread

In My Humble Opinion
9403

Which means you may discount anything he says. Doesn’t mean you can say he’s certainly wrong, you need evidence for that. Which, if you have, you should present to the State of Florida at your earliest convenience, as they don’t have it.

Yep, Zimmerman eventually fought back after Martin picked a fight with him.

I don’t think Martin confronted Zimmerman with a gun, if you have evidence he did you should probably give it to the defence.

You are aware that Martin is the one the confronted Zimmerman, right?

It doesn’t matter if you or I believe it, or for that matter if the jury believe it. They are not asserting it because it matters if it’s believed. They are asserting it because doing so means the prosecution have to prove that it wasn’t self defence. Which, based on the evidence released so far, they can’t.

It’s not so much a fantasy as one story that’s consistent with the evidence. Certainly, Martin did attack him, and I’m not sure what, if anything, would count as good reason for such an attack.

Even though Zimmerman is known to have campaigned against the police in favour of black people he considered to have been mistreated? It’s your foolish theory that doesn’t fly.

He called the police because he saw someone trespassing and acting suspiciously. He got out of his car to follow him, which was stupid, but when he was told it was stupid he went back to it. He had the gun for self defence, and events showed that to be a far from foolish decision.

I don’t believe you think about this case at all. I believe you feel, and mistake your feelings for something relevant.

9404

Trespassing and acting suspiciously my hairy balls. All Zimmie’s fine work in the black community doesn’t count for shit. He saw a kid – who was black – and pegged him for a criminal for the sin of walking down the sidewalk in his neighborhood. The squirmy little shit should have minded his own goddamned business and he’s be home jerking off to his Glock as we speak.

9405

I don’t know how to break this to you but the Prosecution has asserted many things that may not be true. However, the defense has filed motions in court so unless you have proof they are lying about this request to a judge your opinion is without merit. And since the defense is asking for KNOWN information regarding DD’s interviews it’s not much of an argument on your part. They just filed a motion in court against the prosecution to have them sanctioned for withholding evidence.

Yes, it makes sense to have a jury trial to clear your name.

9406

We must live in different neighborhoods. Anywhere I’ve lived it would be suspicious to stand next to a house in the rain close to dusk.

well maybe to the hairy balls crowd that doesn’t count for anything. Seems a bit racist to come to this conclusion. Martie, on the other hand was a model citizen who was taking a sabbatical from school so he could pursue drugs, graffiti, and jewelry collecting. What’s his fine work in the Hispanic community again?

Zimmerman did the right thing when confronted with suspicious behavior. He was looking out for his neighborhood. He called the police and was waiting for them to arrive. Martin did the exact opposite when confronted with suspicious behavior. Instead of going home and calling the police he confronted and attacked Zimmerman. If anyone is home jerking off it’s the guy who brings his hairy balls into a debate.

9407

If Martin had minded his own business, instead of turning back on himself to find Zimmerman, then attacking him, he’d be eating his Skittles in peace.

Zimmerman did exactly what he should have done - called the police on the guy acting suspiciously, and got a brutal attack and a bullshit murder charge for it.

So, tell me. If you saw someone doing what Martin supposedly did - walking along, looking in the windows of houses, and trespassing, would you not call the police? Even if there’d been several recent burglaries in your neighbourhood?

And if someone punched you to the ground - unprovoked - and bashed your head repeatedly into the ground, you’d just happily take it, and not defend yourself?

Look, Martin didn’t deserve to die. But drop this “innocent kid” bullshit. He was at best a vandal and petty thief, who escalated to serious assault. He would have been jailed for a while if he’d lived.

Zimmerman’s no angel either. He has some history of violence, and has pretty much been proven to lie sometimes. That doesn’t mean he deserves to be beaten up, much less denied the right to defend himself. It’s also pretty clear he’s not racist, and as he wasn’t the aggressor that night, his views on that wouldn’t actually matter.

9408

Lol. I asked you to explain why you think the prosecution has withheld evidence and you come at me with this?

Lemme get this straight: you think that just because the defense has filed a motion, that means their complaint has merit. Newsflash: no it doesn’t. A judge has to review their complaint and determine if there is any basis to it.

Has Judge Nelson determined that the prosecution has done anything the defense has accused it of? I mean, like anything at all? To date, all I see is two lawyers wastingmoney and time filing motions that keep getting denied.

Big effing deal. It will probably be denied like all their other motions.

If you’re innocent and your case is strong–two things that you insist Zimmerman has going for him–an immunity hearing is a gift. That’s the main perk of SYG! To get immunity from prosecution! So it’s quite hilarious that all of the sudden, you guys shrug this off as procedural meaninglessness. Everybody else sees the writing on the wall.

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I don’t know how to break this to you, but the defense has asserted many things that may not be true.

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Well, I do know how to break this to you - the prosecution must prove everything that they assert, beyond a reasonable doubt.

No one that I am aware of in this thread believes that Zimmerman shot Martin in self-defense simply on Zimmerman’s say-so. They, or at least I, believe it based on the evidence available to date.

And, for the umpteenth time, the prosecution has to prove that Zimmerman did not act in self-defense. They have to present evidence that proves Zimmerman did not act in self-defense.

Regards,
Shodan

9410

This shit about Treyvon doubling back to attack Zimmerman for no reason is further masturbatory bullshit for all these brave young Neighborhood Watch heroes-in-their-own-minds.

And by the way, I’ve stood next to many houses in the rain at dusk and I’ve never been shot once. More idiocy from the Gun Owners Can Do No Wrong crowd.

9411

You were doing it wrong.

Regards,
Shodan

9412

Whether or not he had a reason for doubling back isn’t particularly relevant, what is relevant is that he went out of his way to find and attack Zimmerman.

ETA Please explain clearly what you actually think Zimmerman did wrong to cause Martin to punch him in the face and repeatedly bash his head on the ground, and answer my questions from my last post.

9413

Apparently GPS-A is accurate to within ten feet, but the prosecution won’t release the GPS records, which means they’re not coming to trial. Some people find this suspicious, since GPS records have been used to convict. If Trayvon didn’t double back, it could concievably be provable. If Zimmerman’s version of events is wrong, it could also concievably be provable. The video pointed outside the 7-11’s parking lot was a blank tape sent to the defense. The Kohl’s tape from the camera pointed at the north entry to the townhouse development around the time of the incident was also blank, though apparently at no other time. There appear to be serious irregularities in this case which need to be addressed. And we still don’t have DD’s statement, whether more lies have been uncovered, or her matching phone records, to verify whether she actually talked to Trayvon when she did.

9414

you’re the one accusing the defense of lying about this. It’s up to you to prove this. I’ve submitted a cite indicating they filed a motion in court. You’ve submitted your opinion.

9415

Bullshit. That’s pure speculation.

9416

Not even slightly. Both the fact that he doubled back and the fact that he punched Zimmerman, and continued to attack him are supported by both witness and circumstantial evidence.

That you dislike this doesn’t make it untrue. If you wish to show it to be false, explain why Martin was where he was, and not at home, why, if he felt threatened even when out of sight of Zimmerman, he didn’t call the police, and how Zimmerman sustained the injuries that people saw Martin inflicting.

Oh, and answer my other questions, if in fact you are debating in good faith and not just spewing drivel that you can’t even slightly substantiate.

9417

I said no such thing. You’ve stated matter-of-factly the prosecution has withheld evidence. When asked why you believe this, your answer essentially equates to “Because the defense said so and they wouldn’t lie”.

Yes, this is what came out of your brain. Own it like a man.

9418

Martin was walking back from a store. That’s why he was where he was. You got a problem with kids walking back from stores or something? And looking in windows? Trespassing? He wasn’t trespassing anywhere; he had full rights to be where he was. I guess it’s just tough rocks for him that he didn’t keep his eyes focused straight ahead so our hero wouldn’t generate any suspicions.

9419

Really? So, when he’d already passed Zimmerman, going towards his home, and was out of sight, he somehow, whilst still walking home, and with Zimmerman walking away from him, happened to unintentionally meet him again? And you say my posts are bullshit?

Of course, he had every right to do that,although not to walk on the private property he did, at least according to Deedee, but either way he had neither right nor reason to attack Zimmerman. Unless you have access to evidence that’s not been released to the public. Have you?

I’ll ask again. What did Zimmerman do wrong, based on the evidence available?

9420

We know from the dispatch phone call and witnesses that Martin ran by their apartment followed by Zimmerman and they both lost sight of each other according to Zimmerman and DD’s testimony. Zimmerman is found at the same location he was at when talking to the dispatchers. Where is Martin? He HAS to come form somewhere not in view.

You have a habit of trespassing onto people’s property and stand next to their house at dusk in the rain? Given that you dragged your balls and masturbation into this thread that doesn’t paint a pretty picture.

But putting that aside, Martin wasn’t shot because he was standing next to a house in the rain at dusk. He had the police called on him because he was standing next to a house in the rain at dusk. This was done by someone in a neighborhood watch. This is a group that the neighbors put together because of a rash of burglaries. Now Martin may not have been planning to steal from this house. We’ll never know even though he has a documented history of stealing. But it’s a rational act to view his activity as suspicious and the proper thing to do was call the police. This is what Zimmerman did. The proper thing for Martin to do if he was suspicious of Zimmerman was call the police. He chose differently. He had every opportunity to do this because we know he had a working cellphone in his position and the time and ability to evade Zimmerman. We know he was the one who started the verbal confrontation. We know Martin was the one pummeling Zimmerman. We know there are no indications that Zimmerman ever laid a finger on Martin prior to the beating.

9421

no.

yes, I have a problem with kids trespassing and looking into windows. The same goes for adults, Martians, and politicians. I called the police because I saw a guy walking down the street at night looking into the windows of cars. They arrived too late but he went on to steal from cars he could get into quickly before they arrived. I did the rational thing and called the police and kept the guy in sight. If he saw me and attacked me I would have defended myself. I called the police because his initial behavior was suspicious. My neighbors once called the police because someone was passed out on my walkway. They came and scooped him up. This is what neighbors do for each other. I’ve stopped 3 burglaries in progress because of this.

no, he doesn’t have the right to trespass.

it’s tough rocks that he chose to attack Zimmerman. You seem to forget this little detail. He was not shot because of his suspicious behavior.

Zimmerman had every right to call the police. It’s tough rocks if you brutally attack someone and they defend themselves to your detriment.

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Martin wasn’t trespassing anywhere. I have no clue where you people are getting that little piece of bullshit. If your entire argument is predicated on Martin trespassing, you fail. There is a walkway between the back of the houses for local foot traffic – which is where Martin was and what Martin was doing when he was confront by Barney Fife.