Once you make the decisions to be one of those sorts of media outlets, why not go all the way?
Use the facts as they are known to create several competing narratives each associated with a personality or group and turn the programs into something akin to WWE? Stick to the facts so you are still technically “informative” if not exactly a “news” program in the expected sense. But use the days’ events to play up manufactured dramas and competitions.
We could even do American Idol type TV shows about bloggers trying to become media personalities on the “informative” network.
I think it’d be a big hit. It’s existence is inevitable.
Geez, can you put aside your noose, bucket of tar, pillow of feathers, and your threadbare copy of Birth of a Nation for a moment? Let’s keep it real: The only thing blacks “fail” at is having penises that are smaller than yours. I’ve been cataloging your post, not because I like them, but it’s important to point out the dark vein of intolerance on this board (and it ain’t against conservatives as the GD threads suggest :rolleyes:). Now, if you’d like to have a thread where we can throw racist insults at each other (I’m sure you have it bottled it up living on the mean, hard-scrabble streets of whatever quaint town/suburban/rural area you’re from), please start it.
As for the rest of the peanut gallery, I started to quote a bunch of papers from PubMed about facial recognition, deceit, and fMRI, but what’s the point? Most of you have the science education of eighth graders or would compare it to “psychics” like Sylvia Browne, when, in reality, deception has a neurobiological correlate that manifest itself physically as involuntary microexpressions. These studies were highlighted in the book I posted above, reflexive booing notwithstanding.
Finally, if you haven’t read the writing on the wall, Zimmerman is going to jail. So yeah, you kind of wasted money purchasing those pom-poms and energy by waving them so vigorously. Drink up and stay thirsty, my friend.
Actually Martin’s “criminal record” is pretty much the same as Zimmerman’s at the time of the shooting - neither has any convictions on his record. So technically speaking, you are (obviously) completely wrong.
Unless you care to stipulate that Martin had a “criminal record” because he was a petty drug dealer, thief, and vandal. /QUOTE]
Where’s Trayvon’s mugshot?
Where’s the police report detailing Trayvon’s supposed behavior
Where’s an evidence he is a thief. What did he steal.
What’s the evidence he’s a vandal. What did he vandalized.
Notwithstanding these questions, Zimmerman is more culpable, biologically and legally, for his actions than Trayvon. This ought to be self-evident, but given the science education on the SDMB, it’s clearly not.
Paul Ekman’s pseudoscience, that’s what you were leaning on? By all means, make your case. I don’t recall Ekman linking his “truth wizards” to economic background, so make sure you source that claim.
All Saraya did was disagree with your assertion that society was to blame for the failures of black people. There’s no bucket of tar involved in suggesting that people are responsible for their actions. There’s no racial insult involved which is not the case with your remarks about penises. Seriously, WTF? How did you manage to go from psychic powers to penises?
There is no real retort to your posts other than to point out how crazy they are in the hopes you eventually see it.
To answer questions 3 and 4, he was suspended from his school for stealing jewellery and vandalising lockers. There is also apparently a criminal record that isn’t publicly available because of his age, but will be admitted at trial, so the full question will be answered then.
As for Martin being responsible for his actions, my education and experience has taught me that teenagers, and especially teenage men, are pretty likely to make foolish and even dangerous choices, but that they are still choices, and that they are legally and morally responsible for them.
I’ve no idea what it means to be “biologically culpable” for something…
Your argument appears to be that Zimmerman was probably the aggressor here, but even if he wasn’t, he should be punished anyway, because Martin was too young to be held responsible if he did, in fact, brutally beat Zimmerman. That’s a pretty stupid argument, to put it mildly, and demonstrates just how much you’re willing to twist facts, law and morality to get your guy off, and is even worse when we consider the only reason he’s “your guy” in the first place is pigmentation.
I don’t know who Paul Ekman is. That’s your strawman which you’ve built up and heroically knocked over. Congratulations. I’m referring to studies on deceit and lie detection using fMRI. You can find studies on it here, here, here, here, here and the list goes on and on and on. Will this convince you? Of course not! It has (increasingly) become part and parcel of SDMB tha no cite is good enough and becomes a game of goal posting.
Whatever, your insistence on harping my supposed racism proves that you’re naive. You’re blind to the racism that Saraya have displayed over and over again. Have you seen this post
Nah, of course not. You do not see because you specifically choose not to see, bless your heart. You take his posts at face value by blinding yourself to the past. I don’t so please accept that: I see his posts - as you clearly mine - as a steaming pile of racism wrapped in cheap gold foil.
Anyone fancy going through Honesty’s posts to find all the racism, both veiled and open, there? I can’t be bothered to look at all of them, but here’s a blatant piece of racist pseudoscience, that’s about as factual as the claim that it’s scientifically proven that only poor people can tell if someone’s lying.
After posting that particular piece of crap, you have no moral high ground to accuse anyone of racism.
Speaking of deception, who are you attempting to deceive with your implication that any of those cites support your claim that poor and/or underprivileged people are better at detecting lies than others? The only study among them that says anything about who is more likely to detect lies says that those who often lie are better at it.
Did you simply google “fMRI lying study” and post the results in the hope no-one would read them? They are not saying what you claim.
You are, however, correct about one point. If your claim is demonstrably false, it is indeed the case that no cite will be good enough to show it’s true.
I addressed what you responded to in this thread, as it happened. What Saraya said wasn’t racist. Your response was. If you want to catalog everything Saraya ever said and pit him then knock yourself out. Given what you’ve said in this thread alone I don’t think you want people to catalog it.
You have no cites regarding this special psychic ability that poor and/or black people have of seeing guilt. It’s complete nonsense. You can’t posit an argument against Zimmerman except you just know he’s guilty because of your bullshit meter and everybody else is wrong because they can’t see it. Fuck the evidence, “you just know”.
If you think I’m dancing for your approval, then you’re going to be disappointed. <shrug> I provided a link to the book, provided a host of cites, and if that’s still not good enough, then it ain’t going to be good enough, but I’m not playing the same old, tired game of goal-posting that’s become part and parcel of this message board.
Steophan, have you missed the memo? I’m the only racist person here. The rest of you are surrounded in a nimbus of holy white light, bless your hearts.
When someone says “black males only fail themselves, deal with it” it’s racist to me. Whether you agree with that or not is irrelevant. Now, I know you will refuse to grasp that and that’s 100% fine, but know that I don’t look at Saraya’s posts in a vacuum but rather as a growing collage of his previous body of “work” that, when you step away, looks remarkably like a hangman’s noose.
<shrug> I call it like I see it. My point was to illustrate, once again, that Magiver has tunnel vision. As for whites and autism, well, damnit, it’s kind of true, There’s what’s been referred to as a “autism cluster” sitting right on top of Santa Clara County and it’s not correlated to exposure to environmental carcinogens or vaccines, it’s correlated with parental income which is a proxy for socioeconomic status. White and Asian children make up over 50% of the children in Santa Clara County. African-Americans in Santa Clara County? Only 2%. What’s more, when the CDC conducted an autism study in Atlanta, they found autism clusters in the metropolitan area but very few in the city. If anyone is familiar with metro Atlanta, most of the whites live there. Lastly, blacks and latinos are less likely to be diagnosed with autism spectrum disorders.
Have you read Blink? The chapter on detecting deception is a profile of Paul Ekman, the pioneer of microexpressions. I don’t know how you could be familiar with microexpressions but not Paul Ekman. He’s correct that microexpressions exist, but incorrect that anyone can reliably interpret them to detect deception.
As for your cites…
The first studied the reaction of the brain, via fMRI, when the subject viewed videos, based on whether the subject thought they were being deceived or not.
The second user fMRI to study the reaction in the brain when the subject was telling lies.
The third is the same study as your first cite.
The fourth has nothing to do with deception, it studied the ability to mentalize, and the role of gender in that.
The fifth studied the reaction in the brain when the subject was telling lies.
The sixth studied whether people who lie frequently are better at it. It direct contradicts your claim:
The seventh, which was co-authored by Paul Ekman, studied whether adults were better at detecting lies from children or from adults.
The eighth studied using fMRIs to detect deception.
No, those don’t convince me, because none of them have anything to do with your claim that a) it is possible to reliably detect deception via a videotaped statement, and b) this ability is stronger in the less advantaged.
As far as I know, Zimmerman hasn’t been placed in an fMRI and questioned about his account of the shooting. Thus, none of your cites have anything to do with your claim, or this case.
No goal posts have been moved. You claimed that white people, on average, were worse at detecting deception than black people, on average. You’ve produced no evidence for this claim whatsoever.
You posted links to things that were unrelated to the point you were trying to make. I called you out on it. I’m not the one in the wrong here.
None of us are perfect, and I expect all of us have, at some points, some racist thoughts. Because we’re human, and all humans have them. The difference is, some people here are attempting to focus only on the evidence, and some on their prejudices and unsupported suppositions.
When someone says “white people can’t smell bullshit”, that’s racist to me. You don’t get a pass on your racism because someone else has also posted racist material. You are the one who seems obsessed with race and racism, despite the fact that there’s no actual reason to think it has anything to do with the case. You also seem to think that, because someone has posted racist statements in the past, anything they post in the future is invalid. That’s also false, their statements should be judged on their own merits, not discounted because you dislike the person.
Blacks and Latinos in many parts of the US are less likely to be diagnosed with a vast range of mental issues, despite the fact that they suffer from them in similar amounts to other races - there is, of course, no significant difference in brain structure between races.
The reasons are firstly economic, in that it usually costs a great deal of money to be treated for mental health issues in the US, and secondly the demonisation of people with these problems in the community - something you did upthread, when you claimed that evidence of Zimmerman’s mental problems was evidence of his guilt. Thirdly, there is a tendency to overdiagnose certain issues in certain communities, again for economic reasons, when doing so can allow somewhat unethical medical providers to either sell drugs or therapy, or to keep a patient on board when they say they’ll go elsewhere if they don’t get the diagnosis they want.
You see, unlike the “white man” that’s a figment of your twisted imagination, I can smell bullshit, and I do know what I’m talking about. You are posting stuff that you (should) know to be false, if you’re capable of understanding the cites you post, and the majority of the crap in this thread is coming from you.
A black student suffocates in a rolled-up gym mat. The police find no evidence of foul play. No marks on the body, nothing that came out from interviews with more than 100 people, no evidence whatsoever. Nevertheless the family and the people that came out to protest are convinced that there was no “justice” - because of the photo of the dead student’s bloated face. What else they expect from someone dying from being suspended upside down for hours, I don’t know. Honesty is not alone in his delusions.
I don’t have a copy of the book on my nightstand, so the name escaped me, but I knew it was from the wrong. If you had so from the beginning, I wouldn’t have blown you off. I apologize, my bad. So now that we have that out the way, what’s fraudulent about Paul Ekman? I’m looking at his vita, and it’s quite impressive - University of Chicago, New York University, Adelphi University, and a host of NIH grants and over 100 publications on Pubmed. So what’s pseudoscience about Paul Ekman. In comparison, could you also offer your own credentials in this field as well.
It’s a quite a shame you think that way because I don’t consider it racist at all, I consider it an honest appraisal of my experience with no malice or ill-will intended. I supposed this a snake devouring its tail moment where it clear that we will never understand each other on this issue.
There are times where I’ve pretended to be racist, one example was in the Chris Dorner thread or the thread about white child molesters. That was fun, but I think it was evident from the context of my posts, that I wasn’t serious and was trying to make a broader point about inequality. Now, on the other hand, I don’t get that lack of seriousness from Saraya et al. posts’, in fact, I think he and others are as serious as heart attack.
Finally, I’d like to point out that when I did write about the whites and autism. I said it was racist a few posts after and apologized. The difference between you and me is that I have the confidence and honesty in my viewpoint that I can say I made a mistake or admit I messed up. Hell, just see my previous post about Blink to Human Action regarding Paul Ekman. Or ask Bricker about the email I sent to him. You guys, on the other hand, cannot. You cling to always being right, never wrong, and surely, never, ever racist. Your shit doesn’t stink, so yes, when I said “white people can’t bullshit”, it was poorly phrased, but from my perspective and even in this thread, the adage has become almost proverbial.
Exactly so, Steophan. Although I initially look at posts all individually, every statement we put on this message board builds on the next, almost like pages in book that make up the “gestalt” of our persona on the message board, for better or for worse. So, if someone said “black people get what they deserve” in isolation, it’s OK, but if it’s a pattern of anti-black statement, how can one not step back and see the big picture and only focus on the individual statement in isolation? It’s likely purposely burying one’s hand in the sand.
The stars must be alignment today because we are in agreement. The only thing I would add is statements should also be judged, in part, by one’s previous statements.