As I mentioned elsewhere, that always seemed like an odd thing to hang one’s hat on as proof of Zimmerman’s guilt. I can’t believe the police would put it in their report if it wasn’t there, and the notion that the police would accept Zimmerman’s word for it that he was bleeding when they could tell at a glance that he wasn’t is bizarre.
It’s like the attorneys arguing that they could hear multiple shots fired. There weren’t; only one shot was fired and that can be proven pretty clearly. Saying otherwise just makes you look stupid. And then why should anyone listen when you claim you can recognize your son’s voice on the same tape?
I’m not disagreeing with you, and I do see the recommendations for further dressing with most wounds, but the rationale for it goes more towards the other type of wound closures.
If that picture is accurate, I think using “glue” would be prudent just to stop the bleeding. I’m not sure if, given those circumstances, dressing is required. But, I’m just speculating that if that is an accurate picture why there was no bandaging/dressing in the police video.
I think both Rand Rover and Shodan are attacking a straw man. The question, at least in my mind, wasn’t whether there were any injuries at all. The question was the extent of the injuries. The question is, do they or do they not coincide with the claims of repeated bashing against concrete.
Ultimately, the answer probably lies in the EMT report, but the unofficial photos and videos don’t seem to support the idea of serious life threatening injury.
And can we stop with the juvenile “Team Trayvon” crap? It adds nothing to the conversation and borders on ad hominem.
No one ever claimed that Zimmerman received a serious life threatening injury. The law does not require you to receive a serious life threatening injury in order to use deadly force in self-defense.
And go try bashing the back of your head on grass. Hit it sufficiently hard and you may receive a concussion. But you won’t get lacerations.
From what I’ve seen of the new guy, he seems very sharp, not that I’m an expert. And Zimmerman seems to have a habit of doing things against the advice of his lawyers, if his ex-lawyers can be believed. They can’t put a muzzle on him, they can only suggest he wear one voluntarily.
What if there is a tiny pebble in the grass or a small stick poking up. Still say its impossible to get a scratch? Anyone speaking in absolutes on these topics is kind of showing their bias imho. To be so certain of things like this is folly at this stage of the process.
Okay. I was guilty of using some hyperbole when I said “life threatening”. I admit that and apologize. What I should have said was that it doesn’t appear to be consistent with repeated bashing against concrete (or is the story now that it was grass? I can’t keep up.)
No it doesn’t. The rationale for dressing closed wounds is the same regardless of closure method. I can say this confidently as a vet.
If Zimmerman had a gash on his head incurred from the ground or sidewalk, it would be pretty contaminated with dirt and other debris, even if it was washed as thoroughly as can be in the back of a police care. Closure is usually contradicated for dirty wounds because of the risk of infection.
First, we have no idea what Zimmerman’s information was during his interrogation - whether he claimed concrete or grass or whatever. Second - when you feel the back of your head hitting something hard enough to cause lacerations, you may be excused for thinking that maybe you’re not on grass.
New information which came out in the hearing today. I am paraphrasing from memory:
*Defense Attorney: Do you have evidence to refute Mr Zimmerman’s claim he turned around and was heading back in the direction of his truck?
Investigator: No
Defense Attorney: Do you have evidence to refute Mr Zimmerman’s claim that Trayvon Martin threw the first punch?
Investigator: No
Defense Attorney: Do you have evidence that contradicts any of Mr Zimmerman’s statements to police?
Investigator: Yes*
We also heard there is a witness who saw “shadows through the window” of people moving about before the fight. They seemed to say someone was following someone else in the dogwalk area, heading north?? toward where the shooting occurred. Did anyone else catch that? This is the first I’ve heard about this witness.
I didn’t see the coverage, but I assume the state will try to show that Zimmerman’s statements are self-serving and not credible, and try their case based on the remaining evidence.
It’s not really relevant until it’s established who started the fight. Zimmerman has no defense if he shot Martin because he was losing a fight he started himself.