Marvel's Avengers - early reviews seem positive [edited title]

I just saw it with the kids this afternoon and I thought it was great – probably the best super hero movie I’ve seen. I agree that perhaps the plot was a wee bit thin, but I also think that it’s just enough to hold everything together and that’s really all it needed. The big showdown at the end was very well done and better than Captain America, I thought, as Captain America seemed to build all this good stuff at the beginning and then kind of devolve into a CGI slugfest at the end (a minor nitpick on my part, I really liked Captain America). I thought it worked better in the Avengers and it fit with the story and all.

Everyone got something really cool to do and I thought that was well done. The Hulk really stood out and the parts where he and Thor took down the dragon and then his “discussion” with Loki shortly thereafter were brilliant and hillarious but also served the character.

[spoiler]I’m also disapointed about Agent Caulson and I wish that he could have survived, but I also see how that’s the one final punch to put everyone together. And do you expect anything less from Joss “The Fan Favorite Killin’ Bastich” Whedon?

I also appreciated the part where everyone in the lab on the helicarrier are arguing. It was obvious to me that Loki’s staff was influencing them, but it also seemed subtle and well played. [/spoiler]

My only two nitpicks are minor, the first is that New York got pretty much destroyed in the climactic battle at the end. Like I said, this is a minor nitpick, but with CGI, I think it’s a little too easy to raze a city for your story and it’s done so many times that it may have been more interesting if they found a different way to do it. That being said, I thought the fight itslef worked for the story and it was really the only way to prove that the invading aliens were that serious of a threat.

The second nitpick is that all the Chitari just fall over when Iron Man blew up the mothership. The Avengers were pretty much finished beating the forces on Earth at that point, having them all keel over didn’t do anything except wrap up the battle in a nice little bow so everyone can go get lunch. The could have had SHIELD round up the survivors or something else. Meh, again, that’s minor.

I’m suprised that just about everyone in the theater was gone by the time the first stinger hit the screen at the end. I knew about it from upthread, but I still nearly (figuratively) crapped my pants when I saw it. The second one at the very end was also great, very very funny.

Did anyone else think Bruce Banner kind of acted like Lenard from BBT a bit?

I have a feeling she personally picked out those shortie shorts thinking, “Scarlett Johansson? Wait 'till they get a load of me!”

I loved it. I thought the casting was fantastic. I was worried that Captain America would not be able to pull much weight in a team that included Thor and The Hulk, but they managed to make him look pretty badass. I didn’t care for his character at all in Captain America but somehow this movie redeemed him. I liked the scenes that brought out his leadership ability.

Hawkeye and Black Widow were a wonderful surprise too. I’d never read the comics so I didn’t know who the hell they were, but by the end of the movie you care about them just as much.

I saw it today. Did Hawkeye and Black Widow appear in any of the recent Marvel movies? I don’t remember seeing them. And one nitpick. When they showed the flying aircraft carrier during the battle in Manhattan, it didn’t appear to show the damage that previously occurred to it.

Black Widow is the hot chick (not Pepper Potts, the other one) in Iron Man 2. Hawkeye doesn’t get as much screen time, but he’s in Thor, one of the agents at the camp where Mjolnir landed-- “Someone tell me whether I’m supposed to shoot this guy, because I’m starting to root for him”.

I really thought the Hulk, both Ruffalo and green CGI version, stole the show (along with Downey Jr., but that’s unavoidable). But I can understand that he still looks “fake”.

As far as I can remember, Hulk isn’t really invincible, but just really hard to hurt/slow down. He also has a really strong healing factor, ala Wolverine. My own personal image would be the bullets penetrate him, but not much, and he just ignores them/heals them almost instantly. (Wouldn’t surprise me though if bullets just bounced off him in the comics too though).

Saw this in 3D last night. I thought it was a great popcorn flick, too. It’s really difficult to write an ensemble action movie, especially when most of the cast has already had movies of their own, but I thought the balance was done very well. Everyone got a moment, everyone got at least one or two awesome lines, and everyone kept the same personalities we’d seen in the previous films.

One of my favorite bits was almost a subversion of what you see in a lot of band-of-misfits action films. It’s when

[spoiler]Tony Stark is puttering around in the lab with Bruce Banner, and they have a surprisingly open talk about the incidents that made them each superheroes. I went in expecting that someone was going to talk Banner around into joining as an Avenger with the usual ‘planet in danger, problem bigger than you, you have a duty to risk something you fear in order to fix it’ spiel. But it was Tony, of all people, who got through to him with, “Yeah, it’s not something I would have chosen either. But look at all this awesome you now own, don’t you feel a need to see how much more awesome you can get if you do something with that?”

I pretty much knew as soon as Fury said that Stark wouldn’t be the one to sacrifice himself for the team, that he’d end up doing just that as his ‘character redemption’ bit. It was an unexpected bonus that his philosophy that it was perfectly okay to accomplish things just for yourself, and just because you can, gave someone else their breakthrough.[/spoiler]

Some thoughts on why Loki works as a villain in this film and why his motivations are adequate

[Spoiler]Complaints in this Thread have been that Loki is too petty and whiny to be a terrifying supervillain. Maybe his evilness pales in comparison to other supervillains, but that’s kinda what makes him just right for this movie.

NOTE: All my ideas here are based on the character Loki in the movies Thor and Avengers as portrayed by Tom Hiddleston (who is fucking brillaint!). I am not at all familiar with Loki’s history or feats in the comic books.
Loki is less a psychopathic evil and more a sad self-hater with feelings of inadequacy. His big attempt at greatness was to craft a staged war on his homeworld for the specific purpose of setting himself up to be a great hero when finally defeating invaders who were really only his manipulated pawns.

This power grab is thwarted when his manipulation and treachery come to light. Even as his evil deeds are brought to light, he is still offered forgiveness from a family that loves him. The forgiveness is like poison to him, self-hater that he is, and he chooses banishment over the unbearable sting of humility and repentance.

Odin and Thor would accept him back in Asgard- it is precisely because his banishment is self-imposed that it is so irretractable. Reconciliation would render him subjugated (even if only in his own mind). Banishment in and of itself has a certain greatness to it and nourishes his delicate sense of his own importance.

The problem with banishment is that he needs somewhere to live.

No world could ever compare to Asgard. Loki’s reverence for the supreme greatness of Asgard may well surpass the esteem even Odin and Thor hold for their homeworld because Loki is an outsider who wants in. He desperately wants to belong in Asgard yet feels rejected.

With the reverence he holds for Asgard, every other world presents pathetic consolation- such as to invoke his disdain.

Should he settle and make a life for himself on Earth? Surely not to live beside humans as an equal! Earth may be his best option for a home in exile, but if he is to live on Earth he will only accept that it is his place to be the planet’s ruler. Humans are so far beneath him- if he is to make a home with them, it must be as their ruler.

This is why people are seeing so little conviction and gravitas in Loki:

He doesn’t truly value his prize.

This is entirely character appropriate, and indeed what makes him- to me- far more interesting than any supervillain I have ever seen.
A human who wants to take over the Earth will be a terrifyingly psychopathic egotistical evil monster. This is someone who’s sought prize is domination over everything he has ever known.

In contrast, for Loki to take over the Earth- he is (from his point of view) a boot trodding upon ants.

This is not Napoleon invading Russia. This is 19th Century Germany taking Tanganyika.
Loki even knows that is allies and benefactors have far greater goals. He is not working to betray and subjugate them when the time is right- he wants only this pathetic little world to rule as his own.

So, Loki’s motivations and convictions are weak- like the motivations and convictions of the boot. Still, he is to be feared because- disinterested though he may be- he has great power and can therefore do great harm to humans as the boot will destroy ants.
As we are seeing a story of The Avengers first adventure as a team to fight evil, Loki is a formidable opponent yet is not overwhelming. Earth, until now, has been insignificant enough to not even appear on the radar of the universe’s greatest evil forces. As Loki exposes Earth to the rest of the universe, as The Avengers’ feats are put on display, other parties will become interested- parties that The Avengers would in no way be ready for without having a “practice” run with the lesser villain that we see in Loki.
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My 2¢
P.S. I absolutely love Tom Hiddleston as an actor despite pretty much only knowing him as Loki- otherwise I have only seen him in Midnight in Paris and War Horse. His performances in Thor and The Avengers have been brilliant.

I joked upthread about his “Kneel before me” speech in the Germany scene being “Loki’s Terrence Stamp Impression”. I actually very much look forward to seeing Hiddleston as an older actor 30 years from now- I think we will look at him then the way we look at guys like Terrence Stamp, Christopher Lee, Ian McKellen, and Anthony Hopkins today.

I looked at his filmography to confirm that I have, indeed, seen him in as few movies as just the four I have seen. My eyes nearly popped out of my head when I read that, this year, we will get to see him as Hal/Henry V in Henry IV part 1, Henry IV part 2 AND Henry V!!!

IMDB Link for Henry V (2012), the page for which includes links for Henry IV Part 1 and Henry IV Part 2

Yeah, in the recent World War Hulk story, General Ross had to shoot him with adamantium bullets fired out of Gatling-type canons to break his skin. And in the last Hulk movie similar fire just indented his skin no more than a poke in the chest. He heals as fast or faster than Wolverine, too. When he got his eyeballs clawed out by X-23 in a recent fight with the X-Men, he regrew them in minutes.

ETA: loved the movie, and I see no need to amend that statement with qualifiers like “for a popcorn movie” or “for brainless summer action.” It was a really good movie by any bar. One of my favorite movies is There Will Be Blood, but of course no one ever has to say that it was great ‘for a intense character study.’

bienville, that was an amazing post, and I salute you. Yes, it makes perfect sense.

You might enjoy this then.

OK, just got back. Great movie, and it was especially amazing how all the characters managed to fit in and work. Hawkeye maybe got a bit shorted, but that’s about all that can be said there-- Cap, Thor, Hulk, Iron Man, Black Widow, Fury, and Colson all had enough awesome that any one of them could have been the star.

I saw the 3D version, and it looked great. There was a credit for the 3D conversion, which surprised me: It was done a heck of a lot better than any prior conversion I’ve seen, and I thought it was natively 3D.

My favorite non-spoiler moment that hasn’t been mentioned yet was when Rogers actually caught a cultural reference. And did the Hulk say something while fighting Loki? It sounded like he did, but everyone was laughing too hard for me to catch it.

And now, to re-read the thread, including spoilers.

“There’s only one god, and he doesn’t dress like that.” That totally sounded like something America would say.

I didn’t like the Hulk cheap shotting Thor. Cheap laugh.

OK, I see that others have already mentioned the Hulk-Loki line.

Another thing I like was the things left unsaid. For instance,

[spoiler]When Banner wakes up in the rubble and the security guard-guy tells him that he aimed away from people, it’s a way of letting Banner know that he does still have human decency even while big and green. I expected him to comment about that, but he didn’t.

And when Coulson is dying, he says “It wouldn’t have worked without someone for them to…”, and I was expecting Fury to finish the sentence, but again, he didn’t. And I think in both cases it worked better for not being said explicitly. Whedon knows we’re smart, we can put the pieces together ourselves.[/spoiler]

To the people complaining about one specific scene that was particularly Whedonesque,

It’s not like the guy has a trademark on the concept of killing off a likable character. And really, it’s silly when you can go into a movie and know that nobody at all is going to die, because they’re Good Guys.

Agent… Hill, I think her name was? did a good job, too. She didn’t get nearly as much spotlight as the heroes, of course, but she was a good expository foil, her opening scene with her going from casual to action in a blink of an eye was great, and she was rather easy on the eyes, too (though obviously up against some tough competition in Scarlett Johannsen).

Oh, and one moment I was expecting and hoping for but didn’t see: I was hoping we’d see Captain America lifting Mjolnir (possibly with difficulty, and with a comment about how heavy it is, but still doing it). It’s not that it can only be lifted by Thor himself; it’s that it can only be lifted by one who is worthy, and Steve Rogers is canonically one who is worthy.

“Puny god.” or something like that.

Okay, this is maybe offtopic, but OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMG. I didn’t even know anyone was doing those, and to have him as Hal tells me whoever’s making this is doing it so very right.

That movie was all kinds of awesome! Loved every bit of it!

One scene that could’ve been better: When Steve Rogers is spoiling for a fight with Tony Stark on the HeliCarrier. With his kind-of puffy face and freshly-plucked eyebrows, he reminded me of Karofsky, the gay bully from Glee. His costume just looks blue and awkward from behind. I guess his weight and brows stabilized by the time they shot the big battle scenes.

Its not just the super heroes that are awesome. How about the freaking flying, stealthy aircraft carrier? That thing was so badass when it lifted out of the water and converted from ship to flying machine.

It may to be coincided with the country’s holiday season. For example, in Singapore the movie opens on 1st May which is a public holiday.