Well my Mom did not raise no idiot!
I must be the oldest and wisest poster on the SDMB for me to see posters minds being corrupted.
I started this new thread because my point(s) seem to just get lost in all the propaganda in the political debates.
The thread “Who wants the United States to fail in Iraq? “
**and the thread “The Bush Family is a Cancer on America “
have opened my eyes to what will be chronicled as the most disgusting and despicable pollution of young minds in American history. This pollution is insidious and conniving and I think planned and orchestrated. Posters must be ever vigilant of its intoxicating effects.
Marxism is fallacious on its face. Marxism is rampant on the SDMB GD and posters are being brain washed . I will illustrate my claims by putting them in a broader context.
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How To Overthrow A Government
How To Overthrow A Party
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STEP 1 - Find some opposition…ANY opposition in the country. Liberals have been selected! Specifically the 18 to 29 year old demographic.
STEP 2 - Come up with some reasons that the current government must go. The reasons could be true or not, that is irrelevant. A popular one to use would be, Bush is Bad, which goes well with number 4, below.
**STEP 3 - Buy and/or infiltrate significant media outlets. Use these outlets to whip up a broader backlash against the leaders. **
I offer you as evidence the focusonz posts in “The Bush Family is a Cancer on America “ The Bush Family is a Cancer on America - Great Debates - Straight Dope Message Board
[QUOTE=focusonz]
I disagree with the OP.
The point of the propaganda article cited is to mislead one to conclude a Bush family dynasty when one does not exist.
The cite http://www.harpers.org/archive/2007/07/hbc-90000651 of propaganda in the OP says
all opinions of the author writing to inflame and mislead.
so as not to contradict Sony Pictures movie “weapons of mass distortion” advertisement in the articles sidebar.
Conniving and sly, they are!
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[QUOTE=focusonz]
Which really is just more grist for the propaganda mill
the above article http://economistsview.typepad.com/economistsview/2007/07/the-plot-agains.html
conveniently left out the conclusion of the wikipedia entry
And the lies are perpetuated and reinforced by the assumed real people posting to web logs that follow the article.
Insidious and seductive, they are!
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I offer you as further evidence the focusonz posts in “The Bush Family is a Cancer on America“ The Bush Family is a Cancer on America - Great Debates - Straight Dope Message Board
[QUOTE=focusonz]
[QUOTE=mswas]
focusonz It is naive to think that people shed their power and wealth when they assume public office. The merely absolve themselves of authority in an official capacity. If you cannot imagine power outside of an arbitrary institution with a name, then we can’t really have this conversation. If all the information presented is merely hype, then there is nothing that can be shown. Every evidence provided for you will be dismissed. shrugs
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[QUOTE=focusonz]
I am going to be very dismissive when the evidence you provided in the OP are:
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http://www.harpers.org/archive/2007/07/hbc-90000651
http://economistsview.typepad.com/economistsview/2007/07/the-plot-agains.html
[QUOTE=Der Trihs]
Taking the view that you’ll believe anything you want to believe unless disproof is found is simply an excuse for a trip to fantasyland, in almost all cases.
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I will be equally pessimistic when I have read the argument of your OP all before.
[QUOTE=Vladimir Lenin]
This clearly shows the causes and effects. The causes are: (1) exploitation of the whole world by this country; (2) its monopolist position in the world market; (3) its colonial monopoly. The effects are: (1) a section of the British proletariat becomes bourgeois; (2) a section of the proletariat allows itself to be led by men bought by, or at least paid by, the bourgeoisie. The imperialism of the beginning of the twentieth century completed the division of the world among a handful of states, each of which today exploits (in the sense of drawing superprofits from) a part of the “whole world” only a little smaller than that which England exploited in 1858; each of them occupies a monopolist position in the world market thanks to trusts, cartels, finance capital and creditor and debtor relations; each of them enjoys to some degree a colonial monopoly (we have seen that out of the total of 75,000,000 sq. km., which comprise the whole colonial world, 65,000,000 sq. km., or 86 per cent, belong to six powers; 61,000,000 sq. km., or 81 per cent, belong to three powers). Lenin: 1916/imp-hsc: VIII. PARASITISM AND DECAY OF CAPITALISM
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I refuse to allow myself an emotional rather than rational response to the question of the the qualifications and platform of one Barack Hussein Obama. The whole point of this thread without it being stated is the ‘old way is bad and the new way is good’, which on its face is Propaganda, a concerted set of messages aimed at influencing the opinions or behaviors of large numbers of people.
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**STEP 4 - Meanwhile, use overt and covert means to destabilize the economy and proletariat. Consider the ECOfuels issue (food), global warming issue(capitalism), and gas prices and Wall Street bailout (economy) are destabilizing. **
STEP 5 - Infiltrate some unions. Internet community message boards are good.
I offer you as further evidence the Der Trihs post in **“Who wants the United States to fail in Iraq? “ ** Who wants the United States to fail in Iraq? - Great Debates - Straight Dope Message Board
[QUOTE=focusonz]
[QUOTE=Gozu]
Who wants the United States to fail in Iraq? Any other countries you think benefit from this?
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[QUOTE=Der Trihs]
All of them, I think. Anything that discourages America from throwing it’s weight around so much will help other countries with their ambitions, whatever they may be.
Even America would benefit, in the long run; the war in Iraq and it’s occupation was and is a stupid thing. Discouraging us from similar stupidities is a good thing.
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These statements reveals your hidden agenda that you cannot speak.. And I will be blunt, you are sympathizing with the ideals of Lenin and Marx against those ideals of Capitalism. You comport yourself as Pravda (Russian: Правда, “The Truth”) when making your posts.
Your first statement is an appeal to unify nations as described here
[QUOTE=Vladimir Lenin]
We demand freedom of self-determination, i.e., independence, i.e., freedom of secession for the oppressed nations, not because we have dreamt of splitting up the country economically, or of the ideal of small states, but, on the contrary, because we want large states and the closer unity and even fusion of nations, only on a truly democratic, truly internationalist basis, which is inconceivable without the freedom to secede. Lenin: The Revolutionary Proletariat and the Right of Nations to Self-Determination
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Your second statement is
Put into terms of the Iraq war, the false consciousness, a Marxist thesis, is that there is neither benefit or reward for either Iraq or the US or the world and it (the war) has been alienating from their social relationship with each other.
In the post http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=9820772&postcount=26
You were “hung by your own petard”
[QUOTE=Der Trihs]
The Republicans have a lot of fundamental agreement with the Islamists on how the world should be run.
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This further reveals your conceit. Marxism posits that the bourgeois (capitalists) have instilled in us our religion and nationalism in order to make us more docile and easier to exploit economically. Marxism - Wikipedia
This proves Marxism is anti-religious and all your Marxist logic used against religion is now debunked.
You are WRONG, WRONG, WRONG Der Trihs. Marxism and all of its embodiments have been proved false time and time again by history.
The freedom of religion gives us individuality of choice and the constitution has given us a nationalism which requires us to take seriously our voting franchise.
Posters to the thread are marginalized and intimidated by this WRONG Marxist old worn out tripe idealogy which is proven by post #27:
[QUOTE=elucidator]
I believe friend Der is indulging a bit of sarcasm, with the deft subtlety of a frozen mackeral across the chops.
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This is an attempt to defang the argument of post #26 by claiming the original statement was sarcasm so that the proletariat(posters) would dismiss it. This post is a technique of Propaganda, which seeks to be dismissive of dissenting opinions.
I refuse to allow myself, nor should anyone else, an emotional rather than rational response to the question of the the qualifications and platform of one Barack Hussein Obama. The whole point of this thread without it being stated is the ‘old way is bad and the new way is good’, which on its face is Propaganda, a concerted set of messages aimed at influencing the opinions or behaviors of large numbers of people an attempt **to change the cognitive to emotion rather than to reasoning. **
It will be a cold day in hell when I will allow you Der Trihs or one of your ‘cadre’ to manipulate my freedom of speech toward emotion.
This is my final post on this thread. But I reserve the right to start a new thread..
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Is it not odd that posters attempt to remove from you, your religion and your nationalism at every opportunity. It goes way beyond odd it is a blatant manipulation, intimidation, and terror based on the Marxist thesis that the bourgeois have instilled in you religion and nationalism in order to make you more docile and easier to exploit economically, and is a form of that false consciousness. Marxism - Wikipedia
Certain posters are the The Thought Police who are self appointed to uncover and punish thought crime and thought-criminals, using psychology and omnipresent surveillance to find and eliminate members of the Internet community who were capable of the mere thought of challenging the Marxist and anti-capitalistic doctrine.
Now certain posters are a cadre of Bolsheviks (or “the Majority”) as an organization of professional revolutionaries .
I offer you as further evidence the** focusonz** post in “Who wants the United States to fail in Iraq? “ Who wants the United States to fail in Iraq? - Great Debates - Straight Dope Message Board
[QUOTE=focusonz]
[QUOTE=Der Trihs]
That would not be success, since any such country would be our mortal enemy.
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Wrong!
[QUOTE=magellan01]
Keeping in mind that succeeding would mean that the country is back on it’s (shaky) feet with free elections and no murderous dictator.
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[QUOTE=Der Trihs]
The Republicans have a lot of fundamental agreement with the Islamists on how the world should be run.
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So therefore, the particular country, Iraq an Islamic country, would not be the US’s mortal enemy as they have fundamental agreement on how that little part of the world should be run.
Those who have fundamental agreements can’t also be mortal enemies.
And further note that
[QUOTE=Der Trihs]
Cooperation is a superior long run strategy to sociopathy.
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So a success is attainable in Iraq and I desire the one defined by magellan01
[QUOTE=Der Trihs]
Success would be Iraq being a stable puppet state, oil resource and military base for us. With the Iraqi public ground into poverty while American companies batten on the oil profits. And probably with mass conversions to Christianity.
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When success for you requires that I be a despot, a profiteer, and an evangelical then it will be a very cold day in hell when I will let you succeed!
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To which Der Trihs has not defended but one of the cadre did respond as below
[QUOTE=elucidator]
I believe friend Der is indulging a bit of sarcasm, with the deft subtlety of a frozen mackeral across the chops.
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This was an attempt to defang the argument by claiming the original statement was sarcasm so that the proletariat would dismiss it.
**STEP 6 - Stage some opposition rallies. **
**STEP 7 - Ramp up the anti-government rhetoric from the media outlets you control. Be completely outrageous. Call for demonstrations. Slander government officials. Do whatever it takes. The goal is now not just to spread negative information about the government but to force a response **
Let the truth be known that the following cadre of posters
Elucidator , Gozu , MrDibble , Der Trihs, gonzomax, redfury
Are at worst Marxists intent on the overthrow of the American capitalistic system and the democracy on which it is founded.
Or at the very least are Marxist intending to usurp the Democrat party and turn it to their own ends as the American Marxist party!
Taking the SDMB and all those good citizens that have supported it sense 1999 wherever.
**STEP 8 - Exert some sort of influence over the armed forces. /B]
Obama Issues Orders
Obama Enlists Cannon fodder
Obama enrages Cadre of officers with hate
Obama’s Chinese Connection
China’s Preparation for War
http://www.tribune-democrat.com/editorials/local_story_236133107.html
China invades Africa
http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/126/special-report-china-in-africa.htmlChinese
PV is the China’s last battle in the US
The Chinese are sitting on 2 trillion US dollars forcing a crash so to buy America cheap.
Make that 3 trillion US dollars counting the wall street bail out.**
The Trade deficit sapped American wealth.
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Ignorance fought! Let the Deprogramming begin tomorrow!