Porn could not be any more realistic if it tried 
I mean, honestly. “You know, I’ve never been to a synagogue myself, but I hear they sacrifice Christian babies and drink their blood! And I read about it in a book once, too.” It’s IMHO, not IM Shit I Fucking Made Up.
I have had 2 professional massages. The first was because I had actually injured myself and the massage was not in any way sexual. She only focused on the area around my shoulder blade because that’s where it hurt. But, she did such a good job that I went back for a full body massage. Ya know what? There STILL was NOTHING sexual about it and I doubt it had anything to do with us both being women. She didn’t go near my genitals and the only reason she even touched my butt cheeks is because of the proximity to my low back pain. I went to work that night feeling so much better. I was more awake and focused and I felt less strain as I went about my (very physical) duties. I would love to be able to afford regular massages.
I have no problem with this girl getting massages from her dad, particularly if she’s involved in sports or has a job with a lot of heavy lifting OR a job involving nothing but sitting all day. In a way, her dad is giving her preventative maintenance which is going to serve her well in the long run.
Now, if MY father were an RMT, and wanted to give me a massage, I’d tell him to get lost but only because my father creeps me out and has done since I was a kid.
Forgot to add…
When I had mine, the therapist kept it comfortably warm in the room but when your clothes are off, the room feels cool no matter what. She had my entire body (except the part she was working on and my head) covered at all times. When she was working on my lower back, she had a sheet over my upper back and arms and another one covering my lower body. At no time did I feel exposed. She had perfected the art of draping so that when I rolled over, the sheet never even changed position.
As for oil, they aren’t oiling up the whole body like they’re getting ready to use you as a slip 'n slide. They’re only oiling the part that is exposed and that they are working on. By the time they’re done and ready to redrape, the oil is gone.
As for pleasurable feelings: You know the nice feeling you get when someone else touches your hair? That’s what it’s like. It’s calming and relaxing but unless you have strange erogenous zones or they MT is going into uncharted territory, it shouldn’t feel sexual. At least, I can’t imagine it feeling sexual.
And yet, funnily enough, given that reasoning, since I’ve never been to a synagogue I’m apparently unqualified to say that they don’t sacrifice Christian babies and drink their blood.
Is it illegal not to do draping?
Yes, in Illinois it is, unless the client has the Forbidden Zones covered by clothing.
ETA: By “illegal”, I mean you can lose your license for it. I don’t believe it’s a criminal offense.
Probably a jealous and insecure boyfriend. It seems to me that a father doing it for sexual reasons would have done other inappropriate things by now.
Massaging my SO became kind of boring after the third or fourth time, and I think she’s very very sexy.
Can I make this: It’s IMHO, not IM Shit I Fucking Made Up my custom title thingy if I decide to pony up?
In college I attended these history of medicine lecture and dinner series. One night my boyfriend and I sat with this truly hilarious geriatric physician and his wife, who told me stories about taking the LSAT for fun and getting a 165. He told me that he’d never been out of NYC until his residency, which he did in Iowa. And one of the first questions he got from his attending was, “Where are your horns?” :smack:.
Yep.
Although I also agree to “dump the boyfriend.” If daughter and dad are both happy with the arrangement, and boyfriend is not, boyfriend is not a good fit for the family. In which case the comparison is less the OB/Gyn who does not have a professional relationship with people he knows, but a family who doesn’t mind casual nudity in front of the kids.
i.e. Dad should know better. But on the other hand, boyfriend should be more respectful of the family dynamics.
Really? A dad rubbing their kid’s skin and muscles is the same as him rooting around in their cooch?
Jesus you guys are a nightmare.
Personally skeeved but not assuming the worst.
And the boyfriend’s a jerk.
When the woman I wound up marrying asked, as I put it later a direct question, I as an LMT had been massaging her for about a month. We had known each other for some years in other contexts, but I had completed the courses and gotten the license only a couple months before. She’d declined to be one of my practice bodies but now that I knew what I was doing, she’d said with a grin, she was willing to be under my hands.
Before saying yes to being her lover, I quizzed her, making sure that her desire had not started with the massages. She said they had not, but had been for some time (as were my feelings for her). A few weeks after we were lovers, I had her on the table again and it segued into a happy ending for us both.
That was the only time we did that. While not skeevy exactly, it just did not feel right; the whole sensual vs. sexual vibe was different. Thereafter the bed was the bed and the table was the table.
I’d say there’s a difference between “I’m making an outrageous claim with no personal experience or evidence to back it up” versus “I’m refuting an outrageous claim that has no evidence or personal experience to back it up, despite the fact that I also have no personal experience with it (although presumably I do have evidence backing my refutation, or at least logic).”
Be my guest!
I pretty much get a weekly massage. And in this part of the world, the boundaries are a lot less than what you are used to in the US. Even in a totally professional situation the therapist did (once) ask me to be naked. Mostly I wear boxers, or they give me very loose shorts to wear.
To me, there’s nothing wrong with it, and the boyfriend’s problem is that he is buying into the trope of massage = sex.
Having said this, I would be curious, is Mother / Son and Father / Daughter the same or should we apply different standards?
What I’d want to know is what kind of massage it was.
I’ve had massages that were definitely sensual. Not sexual, but with candles and aromatherapy and soft music and long strokes all that jazz. I’ve also had massages that were more sports-massage-ish. And some that were downright clinical. (I’m sure there are correct terms for this, but I don’t know them.)
I wouldn’t be at all skeeved out by dad giving her what I think of as a sports massage, but a more sensual massage would ping my radar. I don’t think it necessarily means anything, but it does seem a little weirder.
Also, I’d want to know if dad has been doing this all her life. It’s harder to be weirded out by it if it’s just been a routine part of their family life.
What is the touch like in a sensual massage? Is is soft or hard?
My ex uses soft music, scented candles, and all that stuff, but her touch is deep tissue and most of her patients see her for problems not related to pleasure. She works on a lot of elderly patients.
Ding Ding Ding Ding! Some teenage boy is telling a girl what she can and can’t do with her own dad?
Oh and there is a HUGE difference between a Doctor (OBGYN) and a massage therapist in the need for objectivity.
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