I went on vacation with my parents a couple of years ago.
My Mom talks me into going to get a massage at the hotels spa. I’d never had one before and quite frankly, wasn’t too keen on the idea. However, I am glad I went as I came out of there feeling like a 16yo boy. (I was 35 at the time)
I couldn’t help thinking at the time how I wouldn’t have been totally opposed to the idea of a “happy ending.” I’m a little embarrassed to admit that, but there you have it.
Anyway, it just got me to thinking: Are the places that do that, likely to give you a decent professional massage like you would get at an upscale spa?
Not that I plan on testing this theory out; Just curious.
Yes, there are soi-disant massage parlors where you can have intercourse or receive a blowjob or handjob from the masseuse. But you won’t find them in hotels, and on the off chance that you enter such an institution without knowing you will quite quickly realize it, as the harlot pretending to be a masseuse will use coded phrases to suggest such. If nothing else she may ask if you wish to turn onto your back.
But genuine masseuses HATE whores who pretend to be offering real massages, because the latter hurt the reputations of the former.
I think he’s asking if such places actually give a decent massage prior to the happy ending. I’ve never been to one, but I imagine the experience varies.
I should think it would depend on your definition of “decent.” Actual massage requires study and training, and once you’ve had one, you will be able to distinguish it from a muscle rub given by a person whose primary training was as a high-school cheerleader with self-esteem issues trying to earn the affection of the quarterback.
Well that’s hardly a fair assessment. I can say in all seriousness that if I were a trained professional massager I would not be opposed to adding an additional service for an appropriate fee. Why should that say anything about my self-esteem?
Hell, I’ve already decided I want to make a career change, this sounds as good as any other ideas I’ve come up with so far.
A well trained, certified massage therapist has put several years and a decent chunk of tuition into being able to legally practice. No matter how tempting the extra money that comes from offering “release”, the risk of being found out would be too great. No longer being able to work in a reputable facility and losing one’s license to practice a skill one worked hard to earn would deter even those personally open to the idea, or so I would imagine.
I would also guess that those looking to pay for sexual services are generally more interested in obtaining those services, and less concerned with having a quality massage before hand. I’m sure there are some upscale escorts and other specialists who are able to offer a “real” massage in addition to their other charms, but they probably wouldn’t be advertising as “massage girls” or working out of a sketchy rub-down parlor.
When you go through massage school though, you get a lot of that pounded out of you. So to speak. We spent quite a bit of time on ethics and scope of practice and how to handle “inappropriate requests”, so if you go with the program, you come out realizing a number of reasons why it’s a bad idea.
Personal safety. If a guy wants this thing that’s outside the scope of my practice, what else will he expect me to do? Auto-erotic asphyxiation? Outright prostitution? Dating? That way lies stalkerdom.
Losing my license. What if he’s a cop? Or worse, what if he’s from the DPR? (Department of Professional Regulation)
Professional respect. What if he’s another massage therapist trying to push boundaries and see if I or my spa is a whorehouse? It’s not unknown for LMTs (Licensed Massage Therapists) to narc on houses of ill repute. Not only because of what it does to the image of the profession, but because even sketchy massage places often have some (most?) legitimate clients, and local LMTs would love to take them on as clients when their regular place gets shut down!
Personal relationships. I’ve got a cool husband who is admittedly more free-thinking than most when it comes to my sexual activities with other people. But I’m pretty sure even he would take issue with my giving handjobs (or more) for cash. I’ve never actually asked him, mind, but I have a pretty good idea. Mixing business and pleasure can really screw up your other relationships.
Poisoning the well. Yeah, I’m a free-thinking girl who’s not opposed to prostitution, but it’s a different career. I don’t want to encourage the conflation of the two because that might put some other massage therapist in a bad spot someday. It’d be like if I was a butcher doing taxes on the side. There’s tax attorneys for that. Let me do what I do well, and let the prostitutes do what they do well.
As for the question of whether a whore can give a good massage - of course she can. Or she could be lousy. Massage isn’t rocket surgery, but neither is it quite as easy as the amateurs would have you believe. I give good head, for that matter, but I bet not as good as someone who does it 20 times a day.
I used to know an actual masseuse who told me that, during her training, the divide between genuine masseuses & prostitutes was emphasized as being extremely important. There could not be the slightest suggestion of sexual interaction between any of the masseuses in a salon and any of their clients, because that would lead not merely to legal difficulties but to an alteration in the clientele. Such establishments (whorehouses, I mean, not massage parlors) necessarily advertise largely by word of mouth. If one guy gets a BJ, he’s may mention it to it to his friends, coworkers, clients & so forth, who will then expect the option if they visit the establishment, and who may make trouble if they do
I’ve known some prostitutes, and all had something unhealthy and self-destructive going on in their heads. But I’ll admit that the plural of anecdote is not data, and that my subjective impression based on a limited sample is not definitive.
Yeah, when I was first in Thailand I went to a massage place close on to our hotel. Looked legit, loads of Korean tourists, both genders, in the area, the clientele was mixed male/female, and it was cheap, about USD 5-10, so I thought I’d give it a go. In this place you’re on a thin mattress on the ground, and just sort of hospital sheets separating the massage areas. My masseuse was about my age or older, not a hot chick. They give you some fresh laundered pajama to wear.
Toward the end of the massage she kept trying to grab my johnson and using a sort of sign language to ask if I wanted her to take care of that. I found this annoying, not because I’m a prude but because it was really not what I wanted at that point. Had to tell her “NO” several times.
I gather she’d do that to make a few extra baht in tips. How much was not discussed.
After that I pretty much stuck to a couple of places that I knew to be only on the up and up, which meant away from the more touristy areas.
As I think about it, maybe I’d prefer a “happy beginning” to a “happy ending”, as then you could just relax and enjoy the massage.
Yea, at massage school they tried to indoctrinate us to hate such massage parlors. I still don’t and know where to go. One time I ended up there by accident and couldn’t bring myself to get the happy ending.
The general consensus is that the quality of the massage is inversely proportional to the quality of the happy ending.
I have to say she gave me a crappy massage but I didn’t mind having a hot Japanese girl rubbing up against me for an hour.
As a gay man, I know plenty of professionally trained massage therapists who give you an outstanding massage, but may, if you request, finish with some sort of happy ending.
These therapists (male, of course) have exactly the same training as the therapist at the local massage parlor, but normally work in their private residence or will come to yours.
I’m sure that the same therapists are available on that basis for straight men/women and lesbians.
Check out Craigslist; find someone who meets your qualifications, and make the arrangements.
But, no, massage parlors will not perform these services normally.
An old buddy of mine went to school and the whole bit, and got the license and became a massage therapist, but he still made money on the side by making private housecalls to lonely, rich housewives. He made more lettuce that way. He basically advertised in the paper, and when he went to the appointment, he knew how to do a complete, professional massage first, and then he would wait for them to ask for anything more (he would never ask first). He was my roommate at the time. He would get a surpisng number of calls (I would sometimes answer the phone and make the appoinments myself), and maybe one out of 10 would just want massages. If that was the case, he got a standard professional fee. If they wanted more, he’d come back with fistfuls of 20’s, or even 100’s.
I think it helped that he was very physically fit, a marathon runner and a mutiple black belt in martial arts. Basically, he was a pussy magnet anyway, so he just decided to cash in on it. He even studied tantric yoga so he could do that whole Sting thing and last longer.
He used the cash to finish college and then went to med School. He’s a physician now – some kind of nutritional specialist, I think. He moved to Arizona and started his own practice and bought a big house and shit, got married has kids, the whole bit. I eventually lost touch with him and haven’t talked to him in years, but in his case, he could do both the professional massage and the American gigolo thing. It worked out well for him in the lng run, and he’s a completely amoral sociopath (if a charming and intelligent one), so he had no ethical qualms about it.
I wasn’t sure where the OP went on vacation, but your mention of soi, which is the Thai word for a small lane, lends me to believe you, at least, mean Thailand.
Actually, “happy endings” are available from in-house hotel masseuses, too, but not always. Some are legit, some are not. Depends. YMMV.
As for getting a truly professional massage beforehand, there are actually many places in Bangkok where you can do this. Some massage parlors will offer straight traditional massage by an expert masseuse with no hanky-panky whatsoever. But if you opt for an oil massage in the same establishment by the same girl, a variety of options become availabe. One of the most popular in Bangkok is Sabai Sabai Massage, just off of Sukhumvit Soi 11. Open 24 hours, they are famous for their “No Sex” signs posted throughout. However, in true Monica Lewinsky/Bill Clinton fashion, “sex” here is defined as actual intercourse (but outcall service is available, and in that scenario intercourse suddenly becomes an option). The girls, all expertly trained masseuses, make a lot of extra income from what they call the “special massage,” an option at the end, which is a handjob or covered blowjob. Depending on the establishment, full sex may also be an option.
There are lots of “massage parlors” that are nothing more than thin fronts for a brothel and good luck getting a masage there (although it would become pretty obvious pretty quickly what you’ve walked into if all you’re looking for is a straight massage.)
He wasn’t saying the Thai word “soi,” he was saying the French phrase “soi-disant,” which means “self-proclaimed” or “so-called.” The “soi” here means “self.”
