Massive flooding in Texas; 20 children missing from a summer camp

That’s $145 a day which includes feeding and activities. I wouldn’t call that snooty rich person money.

I would.

Camp doing well, need to expand, but those pesky regulations and FEMA flood maps…what to do? I know, let’s grease a few palms over at the county and with FEMA…

In response to an appeal, FEMA in 2013 amended the county’s flood map to remove 15 of the camp’s buildings from the hazard area. Records show that those buildings were part of the 99-year-old Camp Mystic Guadalupe, which was devastated by last week’s flood.

After further appeals, FEMA removed 15 more Camp Mystic structures in 2019 and 2020 from the designation.

Clearly you’ve never been to Disney World.

Yes, you may rest assured that that is very much true.

You don’t stay at *Disney 30 days. Or go for multiple years. You and your sister.

Nope, too rich for my blood.

(*I fully expect someone to provide a cite saying someone did just that thing)

Yes, when originally reading about the summer camp, I was thinking something more like Meatballs, not the Catskills from The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel.

If you can comfortably and responsibly afford to spend several thousand a year to send your kid to summer camp, you might not be snooty, but you are rich.

No but it’s at least 3 times as expensive going to Disney and people usually stay for 4 to 7 days as a family. So now it’s you, your sister, and mom and dad.

Thats just 5-7 days.

What’s Mom and Dad gonna do with children the rest of the summer?
:thinking:

This is what Parents do. They spend all summer carting kids to recreation.

Easy, peasey find a sleepaway camp with all the fun stuff.

It costs what?? Ok. We can pull that off. Or we can take the kids camping and spend weekends entertaining them. Maybe a daytrip or two.

Yeah, its a choice.
Wealthier folks do wealthy people stuff. Like they will.

Some people absolutely spend a month at Disney World. When I go for a week in December, I stay at Fort Wilderness, which is their camp ground. I stay in a cabin, but there is an area for people with RVs or tents. There are people in the RV section that are there for a good month or more, and they go all-out decorating their site for the holidays. Some reserve and get the same site every year. I’ve met some of them and discussed it with them.

Not everyone does it, but not everyone goes to expensive camps in Texas either. People with enough money will do what they want with it.

I had to do this as best I recall from approximately 45 year old memories, but as a young to mid-teenager I used to go to summer camp for two weeks every summer. We weren’t wealthy, just a middle-middle-class family. I ran the base cost of those sessions through an inflation calculator to find the equivalent cost in today’s dollars, which came out to about $1,200-2,100 (I attended different types of sessions which varied somewhat in cost) which is very much comparable to 2 weeks at Camp Mystic for the higher end (such as the wilderness backpacking trip year) and half the cost for just “basic camping” (which had fewer special activities.) Although I don’t know if they have/allow two week sessions at Mystic. Having one and two week sessions does help the middle-class with costs, along with different levels of extra activities. On the other hand, I wasn’t costing the family for traveling sports teams or a lot of other activities common to middle-class kids these days. And we didn’t go to Disney World, not ever. Or eat out much. Or take whole-family vacations (except that one time when someone gave us time in a cabin near Traverse Bay, Michigan) That two weeks was pretty much it for additional costs beyond the basics for me.

So… yes, a camp like Mystic probably is within reach of someone middle class if they really want it. Maybe they’re climbing the social ladder and think it would help their kids do so as well. For an older teen maybe she can earn some of the money for camp. But it would have to be a priority for the family and kid in question. Camping was a big deal to me so I chose that over a lot of other things I could have been doing. When I was older I’d kick in some of my own money, in addition to buying whatever gear I needed for that particular summer.

One possible difference between the camp I went to as a teen and possibly Mystic is that the camp I went to had some financial aid available and actively sought to bring in a range of campers of all sorts. Don’t know how Mystic is about that sort of thing, but it does seem dominated by White and Wealthy. They probably have had some middle-middle and upper-middle class kids attend, but they’d be the “poor” kids at camp.

There has been a very rapid decline in the number of new bodies found each day even though they now have a huge number of searchers. According to some numbers:

July 5 51 Bodies Found
July 6 29 Bodies Found
July 7 24 Bodies Found
July 8 7 Bodies Found
July 9 9 Bodies Found
July 10 1 Bodies Found
July 11 8 Bodies Found
July 12 0 Bodies Found
July 13 0 Bodies Found

to the current number of 129 bodies found. So the 160 plus missing must be buried under huge piles of debris–or perhaps incorrectly reported as missing.

I originally had the same thought, but now I’m thinking that anybody who was in this group would certainly have been accounted for, as it’s been over a week since the flooding.

Hate to say it, but the smell is probably going to lead searchers to many of the remaining bodies.

I’ve found myself wondering if people (bodies) could have washed out all the way to the San Antonio Bay with so much water.

Just heartbreaking.

Hate to say it, but not all bodies may be intact. There was so much force involved with that flood, and large objects crashing together in the water… some people may have wound up in pieces in debris piles that would make identifying a body difficult at best.

Add in some natural scavengers getting to any easily accessible pieces in said debris piles and some people may be both legitimately missing and never found.

First time I ever heard of a “sleepaway camp” was around five years ago, when somebody somewhere mentioned the movies. Not a whole lot of fun stuff there…

When the St. Francis Dam collapsed in 1928, it washed away an unknown number of people. I recall hearing bodies would turn up years or decades later downstream as more land was opened up to farming/plowing.

I’m thinking parts of people are miles and miles away. It makes sense to start the search nearby the source of the bodies, but that’s not where the long tail of remains will end up.

Many of them are also going to end up being found in places nobody ever thought to look.

Yeah, people never think to look to inside wildlife or feral pets.