Massive flooding in Texas; 20 children missing from a summer camp

I don’t think anyone’s gonna go that far.

Dogs allowed to roam probably find a lot of human remains that humans are never aware of because dogs can’t speak to their humans about it.

That is true.

I remember an old “Forensic Files”, one of the 1990s programs, where a police officer said something like, “That’s the nature of police work; one day, you’re driving around giving out parking tickets, and you get a call from a guy who says that his dog brought a head home and it’s out in his front yard.” A serial killer was caught as a result.

There was also a program I saw where 3 young boys, 10-12 years old, were playing in an abandoned building, and found a skeleton. Their parents called police (again, pre-cell phones) and the police didn’t think the bones were human, so they called the medical examiner, and he knew immediately that this was a large dog. Afterwards, the officer gave the boys a little talking-to about trespassing, which they honestly had unknowingly been doing.

And then there was this story from my area a few years ago; the femur turned out to be a medical replica:

After the debris flow here in 2018, it took 3 years to find one of the last two missing. He was found close to where he was first lost. One still is lost. Montecito Debris Flow

Especially since many of these were small girl children.

Camp Mystic’s leader got a ‘life threatening’ flood alert. They evacuated an hour later.

Camp Mystic Executive Director Richard “Dick” Eastland did not begin to evacuate the young campers asleep in cabins near the rapidly rising Guadalupe River for more than an hour after he received a severe flood warning on his phone from the National Weather Service at 1:14 a.m. on July 4, the family said through a spokesman.

Eastland — who had run the beloved Christian-centered all-girls camp in Hunt, Texas, with his wife since the 1980s — rallied family members, some of whom lived and worked at the camp, on walkie-talkies to “assess the situation” soon after the alert went out, said Jeff Carr, the family’s spokesman. At 2:30 a.m., when rain was falling hard and fast, Eastland decided to begin evacuating campers, Carr said.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/interactive/2025/camp-mystic-alerts-texas-floods/

Unpaywalled:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/camp-mystic-s-leader-got-a-life-threatening-flood-alert-they-evacuated-an-hour-later/ar-AA1IzzCj

While hindsight is 20-20 what would the posters here do? “Assess the situation” or “better safe than sorry” and immediately evacuate?

And this article also mentions the cost of a month-long stay, which was discussed earlier:

Tuition was $7,600 for a four-week term.

That is far out of reach for most middle-income families, IMO.

Better to evacuate and not need to than what happened.

If I ran a camp that I knew was in an area that had flooded before? Evacuate, worst case the kids sit around on high ground singing camp songs.

I would evacuate immediately.

I have been in a couple floods but nothing of this magnitude.

When the water starts to rise it is unpredictable and dangerous.

Evacuate.

I was an annual summer camper for awhile. I remember more than one occasion waiting out a weather alert, even in the middle of the night. On one occasion we lost some tents (big, sturdy wall-tents on anchored wooden platforms) but no loss of campers.

Always better safe than sorry.

If the kids wind up short on sleep well, everyone in the camp will be the same. It’s a good life lesson. But people engage in denial and make what I consider poor decisions (and other folks think I over-react). Usually no harm but when there is harm it can be fatal.

Don’t evacuate, because all of my campers were already on the high ground to begin with.

If they want to see the beautiful scenery down on the flood plain, they can hike down from the hills for it. On days when there isn’t even rain in the forecast at all. If there is rain forecast on the day when we planned to do the river hike, well, there’s two weeks, I’m sure we’ll get an opportunity later.

Evacuate. It’s part of the wilderness experience and drives in the “Be Prepared” motto.

They still haven’t found Kyle Doan in my area from 2023. Much smaller flood. People don’t appreciate how much force water has when it gets moving.

Check this photo of a guardrail twisted like a towel.

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I was out in the desert with the dogs, and they found a very suspicious parcel. They were losing their minds. Small human sized, in a fetal position in no less than 3 plastic garbage bags and (was) wrapped in a sheet (sheet was partially dragged away by Mr. Coyote). I could see the clearly rounded shape of a skull under the plastic.

I drove the cops out there, they wouldn’t let me see what was going on. They determined it was “non-human”, and to the best of my knowledge just left it there. :face_with_peeking_eye:

Why 3 Hefty’s and a sheet to dump a critter??

Maybe it was, ya know, a problem they needed to have disappeared.

A dog made sure that the murder of George Lewis was brought to light and the perp arrested. Dog found poor George’s head, after the the New Madrid earthquake had foiled the murderer’s plans to dispose of the body, and brought it into town. Dropped it in the middle of the road as if to say, “Somebody better investigate soon.” Man’s best friend.

A dog brought a human hand to his house.
The hand belonged to an elderly woman who’s brain damaged daughter killed her.

The younger woman still lived at the house.
Sheriifs figured it out, carted her off.

The searchers looked for the body and found everything but the old lady’s head.

20 years later we buy this property. With an old Out house.
Me, in my infinite knowledge decided it needed to go. Little kids and all.
Mr.Wrekker did that rather filthy job.

Yep. Head in the head.

All the falderol ensued; screeching, grossed out, sheriffs investigators, ghosts, bad smells, scared kids. Of course it was October.

Was this a case of throwing out the babies with the bath(room) water?