I’d say a note from three separate doctors; it’s possible for one doctor to be an idiot (like doctors who won’t give epidurals through back tattoos).
As has been noted, woollyheaded thinking is a fairly common expression; I think it comes from sheep who are notorious for not being able to act independently of the herd.
For those convinced (a la Wakefield) that vaccines cause autism, here’s news to make your head spin around - an anti-autism vaccine.
No doubt it causes measles.
Besides, it’s better to get autism naturally.
Regards,
Shodan
Anyone can get a state identification card that doesn’t require them to be able to drive. Hell, my wife has one.
And if some country like Surinam wants to let unvaccinated folks in, I can see letting them make that decision for themselves. But if we let them have a passport, there isn’t any way for us to prevent them coming back. 
Yes. Same as driving licenses.
:rolleyes:
Ya know, if you took a bunch of emotionalism out of this, people would probably take you more seriously. Yes, I wrote “I personally would have a lot of trouble approving all of those shots if I had a kid” - where in there does it even suggest I want to “bring back” any of those diseases (which is an odd way to put it since they are still around)? Add to that the fact you know I have no kids and will never have any, so we are obviously not talking about any real children not getting vaccines. I’ve made decisions on what vaccines I skip and what my pets skip after a lot of research, so if I did have a kid, I do the same thing - make an informed decision. If that decision didn’t perfectly agree with you, that doesn’t mean it is ignorant.
And yes, I do note that you are only responding to - I mean, blowing completely out of proportion - one sentence of my post. Unable to come up with an intelligent response to the rest?
Which ones are those?
The book on the subject Kolga and I co-authored got the following review so I suppose someone did take us seriously:
FYI, the book does have an index. A ten page one and eighteen pages of endnotes.
Dr. Paul Offit, head of the Infectious Diseases Unit of the Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia said this about the book in a private email:
So are you going to answer the question Dave Hartwick and I asked you? Where did you do your research? My co-author and I used various sources including pubmed and an interview with Dr. Offit.
Here’s a good reason to skip a veterinary vaccine: anaphylaxis from a ferret-approved version of the canine distemper vaccination. This is apparently not uncommon with this particular vaccine. My vet allowed our allergic ferret to get his titers checked yearly in lieu of automatic vaccination, and if he was still showing sufficient antibodies, he could skip it. Otherwise I would opt for vaccination followed with Benadryl and monitoring. Fortunately he was good for a few years at least from the last one he had done. Skipping it if his antibodies were too low was not an option; my husband is a letter carrier and walks through many dog-traversed lawns daily. Canine distemper can hitch a ride on your shoes, even, via an infected dog’s various secretions. Without anaphylaxis plus diligent titer-checking, I’m at a loss as to what another good reason might be.
That’s not quite what that says, although it would be fun to ask an anti-vaxxer what they’d do if someone did invent an anti-autism vaccine.
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This thoroughly researched book should convince even ardent vaccine skeptics that the benefits of giving kids shots to prevent illnesses far outweigh any negatives.
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Unfortunately, not a fucking chance in the world.
Regards,
Shodan
You didn’t keep it real. You insulted him for not getting a flu shot. You falsely claimed the herd immunity justification. The flu shot is one of many vaccines that is not about herd immunity. It can’t be unless it is required, as nothing short of that will stop the disease. (Heck, that’s what this thread is about!)
Only after you insulted him did the guy start being unreasonable. Like most insulted people, he became defensive. And when you become defensive, it becomes about winning and not about being right. So you got him to switch from being open to new ideas to being closed to them.
All so you could “feel better.”
How about you, BigT, do you feel better now that you given a good scolding?
Oh yeah.
An idiot named Cynthia Parker has been stalking us for weeks. She’s probably still at it as I write this. If I were in charge, any reference to whale to as an acceptable source would get you an immediate permanent banning from the net on the grounds that you are too fucking stupid to use it.
Flamed by BigT on a post 4 days old. That’s like being ultra-correct, isn’t it?
If I was tempted to feel bad earlier, I’m not now.
Thanks! 
Now that you’ve been exposed to a BigT scolding, you’ll be immune from feeling bad about any future scoldings he hands out.
Of course, which is why vaccinations work.
You do not need to let your children catch potentially deadly diseases like mumps, polio and measles to let their immune systems develop. You can vaccinate against those things and let their immune systems practice on the other little bacteria and virii we’re all exposed to on a daily basis.
I love this chart on measles incidents in the US. For sheer scale of suffering avoidance the vaccination was a godsend.
Well, referencing whale.to is against the law (Scopie’s Law, that is):
“In any discussion involving science or medicine, citing Whale.to as a credible source loses you the argument immediately..and gets you laughed out of the room.”
I accurately described the research as involving an anti-autism vaccine (it is intended to mitigate autism-related symptoms). I didn’t say it was a vaccine to prevent autism.*
*braces for seething denunciation from Big T over not “keeping it real”.
Oh jeepers, whale dot to. I can remember wasting a Friday afternoon browsing that site and giggling my fool head off. Somebody or other at the mothering dot com website linked to it, and it was like when I first encountered David Ickes. Entertainingly whacko.
Good times, good times.
Regards,
Shodan