Or much of anything else, either.
I always wondered how that “someone’s being wrong on the internet” thing looks in real life. Then I ran across curlcoat. It’s a marvel to behold, truly it is.
Unlike so many people, I haven’t made any decision as to who is “right”. I note that autoimmune problems are rising in children, that they are getting far more vaccinations, and that the two were linked in pets. So, if I had children to vaccinate, I would be interested in research being done on environmental reasons for the rise in autoimmune disease.
I wasn’t aware that the annual flu shot was part of the recommended vaccination schedule for babies/young children. If it is, then I guess it would be included in my curiosity about the other vaccines for them, but it still wouldn’t factor in my decision to not get the shot myself.
It should be obvious that I was speaking generally there. Anytime I have an opinion about children, parents rush to tell me I can’t know what I’m talking about because I’ve never given birth.
And yes thirdwarning, I don’t know any more about human vaccines than I do dog vaccines, which is why I look to people trained in those things for information. Oh, and cite for where I’ve “disparaged” vaccinations? Hint - you won’t find it.
Thank fucking god for that. Oh, wait, his white knighting is too stupid to trigger an immune response.
I’m still waiting for the day we get our own subpage on whale.to. If that happens? I’m flying out to your neck of the woods IMMEDIATELY and we are going into the city to celebrate in the most expensive place we can find.
I call it the fetishization of suffering. Suffering from disease is somehow sacred, holy, a conferring of meaning and personhood. The fact that vaccines reduce suffering in addition to prevent disease is something that the anti-vaccine propagandists cannot stand.
Never has more truth been spoken in fewer words.
He could scold you/us. Would that be the same thing? And being insulted by curlcoat is like being insulted by the yapping chihuahua next door - he’s getting a lot of something out of barking at me through the fence, but I have opposable thumbs and therefore win at life.
Do you have anti-vax Bingo yet? I’m close.
See “very, very stupid” above.
I love it when someone who’s anti-vaccine pulls out the “I’m not anti-vaccine, I just am pro-clean-vaccines/pro-better-vaccines/concerned about certain vaccines” because 9 times out of 10, it’s just an admission that they’re anti-vaccine.
Plus, curlcoat gets to act in yet another installment of the long-running “How Many Ways Can Curlcoat Be a Self-Centered Fucking Idiot” show. It’s about as bad as the old Dio Show, and just as predictable.
Are children in fact getting “far more vaccinations” nowadays? As far as I can tell from this history of the vaccine schedule, kids nowadays have maybe five or six more routine vaccinations than I did back in the sixties (mostly, they have hepatitis and influenza vaccines that I didn’t get, but on the other hand they don’t have to get the smallpox jab like I did!).
That’s odd. Anytime I have an opinion about children, parents seem willing to discuss it with me in an atmosphere of mutual courtesy and respect, and I’ve never given birth either. I wonder what’s causing the difference in reactions.
Your link didn’t work but I think I got to where you intended. I had the three vaccinations - smallpox, DPT and polio. Compare that to the 10 listed for 2010. Also, the cite says that children in my era got a total of five shots, but nowdays they are getting 24. That seems to be far more.
I don’t like children. I imagine that many people, at least subconsciously, think I must be out to harm them, or maybe they just want to pay me back for daring to not like kids. Plus, I’m not blinded by emotional attachments to kids, so I tend to talk about them in ways those who love kids don’t like.
So, no matter what I might say, there are people here who will automatically dismiss me because I’m just too different for their comfort.
Whoops! Fixed link.
Oh. Well, I can kind of see how parents might be less sympathetic to your opinions about children, then.
Vaccines are tested in concomitant trials which determine whether or not the vaccines can safely interact, vaccine technology has developed since you were a child and while someone who was vaccinated in 1980 received about 3000some antigens in their 4 or 5 shots, in 2010, that total was around 150 antigens, and finally, even if we quadrupled the number of vaccines a baby gets, we still wouldn’t come close to matching the number of germs a baby is exposed to entering its mother’s birth canal.
It pains me to see you pigeonhole yourself so. Why, there’s all manner of good reasons people automatically dismiss your posts!
I don’t either, but I recognize their right to exist since I was once one myself. Most of us weren’t privileged enough to spring fully formed from the head of Zeus like you did.
Again, you are implying (though carefully without making any concrete statements that can be refuted), that there are “things” that need to be studied when it comes to vaccines. Unless you are willing to state exactly which things these are, all I can say is what I said before - research HAS been done. All this bullshit people are throwing around about the supposed dangers of vaccines HAVE ALREADY BEEN STUDIED, and found not to exist. The research that people keep claiming need to be done to satisfy them has already been finished, and they don’t like the result.
So, again, your personal experience, vague memories, and general feelings of unease do not and cannot trump carefully collected and analyzed data from thousands and thousands of actual cases in the real world. Only a self-centered arrogant idiot would believe that they should.
And with that, I’m done playing your game. Feel free to declare victory now while ignoring everything I’ve said.
I see we are now at the ‘too many vaccines these days’ stage.
*Dear Mr President,
There are too many vaccines these days. Please remove three.
Yours,
Abe Simpson
P.S. I am not a crank.*
And I’m back to asking the same questions again. In case Curlcoat missed it I reiterate: Which particular vaccines do you dislike and which particular diseases would you want to bring back if we stop vaccinating?
I do hope it’s tetanus. Because while tetanus is a horrifying disease with a terrifying mortality and morbidity rate that no rational human being would deliberately wish to have, at least the damned disease is one of the few vaccine preventable diseases that isn’t contagious.
So you can be an anti-vax idiot but at least you won’t be a contagious, germ spreading, little baby threatening, pandemic starting, public health menace idiot.
Agreed. Repeatedly refusing to consider contrary data or excluding it because it contradicts one’s world view is what’s idiotic.
For instance: by your own account, we know that your immunizations gave you far more antigenic stimulation than what kids today get through the expanded vaccine schedule (elimination of the smallpox vaccine accounts for much of that decrease). So if vaccines were responsible for autoimmune disease through “overstimulation of the immune system”, we should be seeing a decrease in these disorders.
curlcoat appears unaware of this, but the reason the U.S. didn’t experience a calamitous surge of birth defects via thalidomide use in the 1960s is because an F.D.A. researcher (Frances Kelsey) blocked approval of the drug. That’s the same F.D.A. that curlcoat wants us to be suspicious of for unexplained reasons.
Tetanus has its charms, though, one of which is opisthotonos (where painful muscular contractions arch the back into a bow, so that if you try to lie on your back only the back of your head and your heels touch the bed).
Which reminds me, I probably should get a tetanus booster, seeing as it’s prime gardening season again, I’m always grubbing in the soil and whoever lived here before discarded various bits of hardware and ancient bottle caps to slice up the hands of unwary gardeners and introduce C. tetani spores. Or maybe I shouldn’t, seeing as Boosters are Bad in curlcoat-world.
Had mine last Wednesday, but I doubt I have much regard in curlcoats book (nor her in mine). You’ll probably get anti-pertussis mixed in for free. Damned anti-vaxxers have led to a comeback in whopping cough.
In other vaccination news, the experimental HIV vaccine has been declared ineffective, and they’re withdrawing it from trials. It’s almost like doctors and scientists test treatments for effectiveness or something instead of injecting us with weird chemicals willy-nilly.
Dangit! That was the one that could hide the mind control drugs so well! Back to the NWO drawing board.
The province of Alberta did a big tetanus booster drive a couple of years ago, so I’m all updated. I’m glad they did that; I would have never thought of it on my own, and I’m digging in the dirt all the time, too.
Don’t worry. I’m not really supposed to tell you this, but we in the scientific community conspiracy were told that it’s just a smokescreen. They’re pretending to withdraw it, but it will actually be included in next year’s flu shots to help prepare the sheeple for the 2016 elections.
It just occurred to me - if science really were capable of such a massive and powerful conspiracy, wouldn’t government funding for research be much MUCH larger than it is?
D’oh!
Rule 3 of Secret Scientists Club: You don’t talk about the hidden science slush fund.