Rob Schneider derp de derp. Derp de derpity derpy derp. Until one day, the derpa derpa derpaderp. Derp de derp. Da teedily dumb. From the creators of Der, and Tum Ta Tittaly Tum Ta Too, Rob Schneider is Da Derp Dee Derp Da Teetley Derpee Derpee Dumb. Rated PG-13.
I looked it up, since I couldn’t remember who Rob Schneider was (“wait - the Silver Spoons kid?”). I don’t care who he is, or what the Silver Spoons Kid thinks about vaccines (which I did not look up) - I just hated not knowing. He brings the high heat stupid! He’s way more entertaining than Jenny MacCarthy!
Here’s a description of the sort of quality nutcase stylings you can expect from the Rob Schneider oevre:
Hmm . . . in the comments there’s a Peter McCarthy spouting off that “there is NO peer reviewed, scientific research of any kind that supports the value of vaccines.” (I bet smallpox would beg to differ.) What’s the name of Jenny’s son? How old is he now?
From that article:
Wow. He could have skimmed the intro to Hep B on Wikipedia and avoided that. Two words: “Perinatal infection.”
Does this count as +1 point for the pro-vaxxers?
To avoid libelling him I feel obligated to point out that you’re thinking of Rick Schroder and that he is not Rob Schneider. Schneider is the former SNL cast member who reached a career pinnacle with the “Deuce Bigalow” movies.
Filthy Mexican kids must have got her.
Ok, but which one of them is Roy Scheider?
Um, I watched that video, and while I don’t have any particular preconceived notions going into it, it appeared that the video dealt exclusively with the system parents must go through when they believe their child has suffered vaccine related autism.
Nothing about whether it’s linked, just that there’s some conflicts of interest in the departments to which parents must go for recourse.
Is there something I’m missing about what he said?
The one with the bigger boat.
There is no such thing as vaccine related autism. If you go back and reread this thread, you’ll see numerous cites to back up that statement. He’s basically arguing that parents should be able to sue pharm companies for millions on the false belief that this is true.
So pharm companies making a small profit by protecting is very, very, very bad. But trial lawyers wanting to sue said companies to make far more profit based on really bad science is very, very, very good.
He’s also making a lot of really stupid anti-vax arguments. For instance he says we get a lot of vaccines today and implies that’s a bad thing. Yeah. As I wrote previously, my answer to that question is always tell me which vaccines you want to stop using and then tell me which vaccine-preventable diseases you want back. He, of course, does not.
Hey, if I’m vaccinated, and my kids are vaccinated, then I could honestly give two shits about your kids’ vaccinations.
Let them be unvaccinated, and die the horrible deaths caused by the diseases you’re apparently preferring.
Meh…
Unless these dumb sons of bitches’ actions cause me or mine harm, I just don’t care that they’re too stupid to see the facts.
Truly. Please help me understand why I should care. It seems like I should, based on the anti-(anti-vaxer) sentiments.
Once you fully understand the concept of herd immunity, you will care.
Vaccinations do not “take” in 100% of those vaccinated; thus they are still susceptible to disease. In addition there are those too young to be vaccinated for certain diseases, cannot be vaccinated due to hereditary or acquired immunodeficiency or are receiving immunosuppressive drugs.
All of those people are dependent on the rest of the population to be immunized and thus limit the spread of infectious disease. The more vaccine refusers there are, the more herd immunity is jeopardized and the greater the chance for disease outbreaks.
Put another way, your kid’s vaccinations may make him completely immune to vaccine-preventable diseases. But if for whatever reason he’s not fully immune, he’s susceptible to illness if lots of kids in the community whose parents attend the Church Of The Divine Antivax get sick. Or maybe he won’t get sick, but Grandma who is ailing will catch something nasty from an unvaccinated child. Or your brother who’s getting cancer chemotherapy will come down with it.
Understood, accepted, got it.
So it’s really a question of whether or not I *care *that evolution will actually be working the way that it should…
Those born with immunity, or able to immunize themselves, don’t die. The rest, do.
Apart from the fact that the kids themselves aren’t making the decision to go unvaccinated, and if they die those horrible deaths they’ll be innocent victims, which I’m not OK with…
My second kid hasn’t had her MMR. This is because she’s four and a half months old, and the age for MMR is 12-15 months. She has a four-year-old sister, who has her four-year-old friends over to play, and we go over to their houses. Damn right I care if they’re vaccinated.
No, you still don’t got it.
You get a vaccination. Yay! It will reduce the chances that you’ll get the disease. Reduce. Not eliminate. Reduce.
So then I get vaccinated. Yay! It will reduce the chances that I’ll get the disease or that I’ll pass it to you. Reduce, not eliminate.
So now **curlcoat **doesn’t get vaccinated. She goes to Germany and gets measles, but before she gets symptoms, we pass her in the produce section and she coughs on us.
Ooops! We’ve only reduced, not eliminated, our risk of catching it from her. Like most people that have been vaccinated, I don’t get it, nor do I pass it on to you.
You aren’t so lucky. Your vaccine reduced, but didn’t eliminate your chances of catching it. You got it, and you’re dead. Or meningitis or pneumonia or hepatitis (all potential complications of measles, more common in adults than children) or if you’re really lucky, you just miss two weeks of work and income feeling like crap.
That’s herd immunity in a nutshell. Vaccines are effective, but not quite 100% effective. Add up a bunch of not-quite-100% effectives, and some of us who were vaccinated *will *get sick, just like some number of people will get pregnant each year despite using 98% effective birth control pills.
You should care because many of these diseases are contagious. Measles is one of the most contagious diseases on the planet. You should also care because many of those diseases have serious side effects and often very few treatments. You should care most of all because a) vaccines aren’t always one hundred percent effective and b) not all people can get them. Some people cannot be vaccinated because of underlying health conditions or because they are too young or because the vaccines simply don’t work for those unlucky people.
We can tolerate a certain number of people not vaccinating. They will be protected by principle of herd immunity. But once a lot of people start doing that, once they make the stupid decision to forego vaccinations needlessly, they will endanger public health.
It’s not just the idiot who’s going to suffer. It’s the newborn baby who doesn’t have full immunity to pertussis who can face serious risks of brain damage or even death. I have a friend who lost her little newborn baby girl in just that way. It’s the cancer patient. It’s the little kid who simply does not make enough of a response to the MMR and gets measles and winds up with SSPE, a complete fatal disease caused solely by the wild form of the measles virus.
You should also care because outbreaks of vaccine-preventable diseases are hard to control and very costly to contain. A single outbreak of measles in San Diego a few years ago cost nearly $200k. That money did not come out of the nut who took her poor kid to Switzerland without an MMR vaccine. It came out of our pockets. Similar cases would also be paid for out of the public purse. So instead of cheap vaccines, at some point if the anti-vax nuts take over, we’ll be paying for vaccine-preventable diseases are far greater cost to us all.
Oh. I honestly thought “vaccinated” meant “immune”.
So I’m more on board with vaccinating the masses now. Good job at reducing the concept to a low enough common denominator that I could get it. Thanks.
I still wouldn’t mind curlcoat getting some nasty diseases from the unvaccinated rich white folk standing in line at the grocery store with the dirty vaccinated mexicans - just to fight her ignorance.
Vaccinated means probably immune. It varies depending on the particular vaccine. Three shots of the MMR will confer immunity in over 99% of those who get it but not all. The reason we give three shots instead of one is that the three doses help push up the number who are immune even further. A significant percentage will gain immunity initially from a single shot. Many of the rest (but not all) will get immunity from the second and third shots.
Ignorance fought!
Seriously, one of the things that ticks me off about the selfish anti-vaxx types is that it is not they who will suffer, it is their kids who know no better that will get these diseases. Also plenty of other children who are too young. The ones being arrogant and selfish never truly suffer.
This, times forty infinities.
Adults who choose not to get their boosters (oh, and by the way, adults reading this? GO GET YOUR GODDAMN BOOSTERS) are making a decision for themselves. A stupid one that I will mock, but still.
But you shouldn’t be able to make a health-endangering decision for your child. There are already limitations on parents being allowed to refuse medical treatment for their children based on religious beliefs (and cases of parents being charged with murder if those children die). We should use those cases as precedent for removing non-medical exemptions for vaccinations for entrance into public schools. Frankly, I think we should require vaccination for all children regardless of public school status (with the obvious exception of legitimate medical exemptions), but I am not yet Goddess of the Universe to make this happen.