Somehow average is even worse than bad…sometimes being bad can be good, films which are soooo bad that they are good somehow elevate themselves to being good by virtue of being bad. There is also something particularley dissapointing about watching a good film get worse and worse with every sequel…I liked the first Matrix (not in a religous, wet my pants manner) thought the second one was pretty shit and am not even going to bother watching this one until it comes out on TV or I see it by accident. That is also the reason I respect the Lord of the Rings trilogy - they seem to get better with each installment and somehow manage to be as good as the book at the same time, utter class in my opinion.
ISaw it last night. thought it was really bad, from the cornball dialogue, to the plotholes, to the idiotic characters, to the ridiculous special effect set pieces, to the bad acting, to the lack of explanation of the Q’s brought up in the previous films…etc etc etc.
It was a pale imitation of the second movie, which I thought was OK.
Dogs sweat thru thier tounge, and only when they alive.
But I know what you mean.
$32.00???
Never kiss an animal that can lick its own butt. Or one with sweaty balls.
Did anyone else think Trinity’s death scene was too long? I mean just to tell Neo, “I want you to know that I love you. Now kiss me before I draw my last breath.” It seemed like she was recapping the ending of Revolutions for the benefit of those who’d already forgotten. And why couldn’t Neo save her like he did in Revolutions? WHY? What was the little Indian girl supposed to represent? And why was she named after an act of self-immolation? And what’s up with the French guy? Why did he want the Oracle’s eyes? That subplot went nowhere.
I also found myself recalling Dune (when Neo became a blind messiah figure) and Tron (that giant machine face which was credited as “Deus Ex Machina”).
Anyway, I was dissapointed with the plot and more so with the F/Xs (at least Revolutions had some kick-ass F/Xs to make up for the awful dialog).The ending was a complete letdown. I’ve had crappy one-night stands that were more climatic than that.
$32.00? Ouch!
On the bright side, I’m really psyched about “Troy”. The trailer looked exciting and Brad Pitt plays Achilles. I have got to see that.
I like the imagery. I have yet to see Number Two. I think it is a fascinating phenomenon.
32 bucks?!
Well, I just saw it, and having gone in with low expectations I at least was pleasantly surprised. The first 30-40 minutes were much like the shit bits of the 2nd movie, and therefore sucked, but then it got back some of the old magic, and rounded things off satisfactorily. Not spectacularly, but okay. I don’t want to stab the people responsible like I did after Reloaded, in any case :).
I do agree that the two sequels would have made approximately one decent film - lose about 50% of Reloaded (the bullshit pseud-babble, mainly, plus most of the Zion scenes) and the first 20% of Revolutions, and it’d make a fairly snappy conclusion. Ripe for some enterprising young movie dude to chop together an unofficial edit once the DVDs are out, I’d say.
Now, as for Troy, what the fuck was up with the zillions of ships in that trailer? Okay guys, I know we have this marvellous CGI technology now, and I know you’re just itching to use it, but is it not just a little bit silly to have an ancient Greek armada of greater magnitude than any sailing force the world has ever seen, ever, merely because you can? Or was it that LOTR had a reeeeally big army, and you couldn’t be outdone? The rest of the trailer looked cool, but that? That looked dumb.
“Was this the face that launched a thousand ships,
And burnt the topless towers of Ilium?”
You might want to check out Book II of the Iliad before you get to ragging too much on the CGI guys for that movie.
RE the title of the OP-
I don’t even know what that means but I don’t think it’s positive!
~paraphrased from GOOD MORNING, VIETNAM
Saw it last night. It sucks. I’ve decided that somewhere in there there is a really good film trying to get out. But the dialouge is appauling, nothing really makes sense and the whole thing looks thrown together.
And I didn’t even think the big attack on Zion/mech battle was that pretty it just came off as stupid. I liked the Matrix, but this was just bad.
I have a sneaking suspicious that the W. Bros are starting to believe their own hype, and sprinkling random symbology over the thing knowing that the rabid fans will piece together some deeper meaning for themselves.
But the dialogue, the dialogue is just so B movie it’s unreal. And don’t start me on the plot holes.
FWIW one of the guys I went to see it with loved it, thought it was fantastic, guess it takes all sorts …
SD
Did anyone else think the previews before the movie looked particularly bad? I can’t even name them, other than Troy (which, to be fair, didn’t look all that awful).
The essential problem, if I’m not mistaken, is that the Wachowski’s didn’t expect Matrix to be such a success, so there was no preparation for the sequels–instead, you got a couple moneymakers tacked on, and the obvious opening for the fourth (“Do you think we’ll see Neo again?” “I’m sure we will”)… I think the Wachowskis backed out of three because they knew the franchise was becoming Hollywood swill.
Alright people. Let’s just all calm down.
Hansel said it best. matrix was thought out for years by the Brothers W. After reading thousands of comic books, the two nerds wrote a relaly good movie.
Sad thing is, it was a HUGE success. Put the pressure on and the money in their pockets, and a supposed “We always had a trilogy in mind” had to now be fulfilled.
That said, I always noted that the first movie was a GREAT action flick with a good story fit snug inside it. The SECOND movie was a GREAT story with good action fit snug inside it.
The third one… I dunno yet. As with the first two, a second (possibly third if I sneak in) viewing is in order. There were, or seem to be, plot holes a plenty,and more questions than answers, but again, I may have missed something (Though I may not have). I’d like to go into details, but I don’t wanna wreck plot points and stuff (mentioning Trinity dying without so much as a “HEADS UP PEOPLE” was kinda crass, DEADJESUS.
But my wife and I left thinking it was much better than the critics noted (We thought the same of reloaded), but it does seem at this point to fall short.
But come on, it didn’t suck that bad. I gauge movies by if I felt my time or money were wasted. And I didn’t feel that way after this.
My new theory is that I can forgive a film patchable plot holes. For instance, in the first matrix, the humans-as-batteries thing. It’s stupid, but some other technobabble could be substituted (I like “fusion needs an immense parallel computer to stabalise the reaction, and that’s what the human minds were.”) The new film I think has two big holes I can’t get past yet:
They threw away every shred of realism when Neo got mystical powers. There was little set-up, up until the end of the second film you could still assume that Neo has powers in the matrix because he was a super-hacker, yet was human in the real world.
They cleared up none of the other loose ends from the first two films. Apart from copping out of the squid-destroying by deus-ex-machina-ly saying Neo had magical powers. We didn’t find out any more about the merovingian, the repeating matrixes, teh seraph…
OTOH, by the end of the second film, I didn’t expect anything good for the third, so I wasn’t let down, and enjoyed it.
Yes but unfortunately, your wife has been diagnosed as clinically insane and you refuse to go anywhere without a locket of Chuck Woolery hanging from your neck.
(Minor sidenote. Please continue, all.)
Recently, Shade Said:
Well, Remember, Neo was PROGRAMMED to be what he was. He was more than just all the other pluggable humans. At least, that’s what I figured. That’s why he could see the machines, and the matrix, in ways others could not. He has always had machine parts in him, he just found a new way to use them.
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The question I had was regarding Seraph, or, more exactly, Seraph’s goldwn glow, which was EXTREMELY similar to the glow Neo saw once he went all blindo on us. I dunno what to make of it, except to say it’s possible Seraph was a MACHINE plugged into the matrix (As opposed to a program).
A big plothole for me was, if all you have to do is go high enough to get to the sun (And the power of the sun), why hadn’t the machnes built big enough towers to get through the clouds? Or put litle solar adapters on the MILLIONS of squids and just sent them up to collect energy like big batteries???
Bah. I’ve got a lot of questions. But that’s enough for now.
Oh. Okay, one more. What’s the meaning behind MOBILE AVE? I have usually been good at getting the meanings of the other door/signs/symbols in other places, but this one has me perplexed.
So, he had some kind of radio inside him? OK, maybe that would patch it up. But shouldn’t they have been slightly surprised when they discovered that?
Uh, not to beat the counter drum, but…
The first movie was a mediocre Sci-Fi action film that was very little more than a philosophy based live action anime. It was worth the six bucks I payed to see it, and was not a waste of my time, but it didn’t walk on water either.
The second movie was (at least to me) a logical progression of the first, and was likewise a mediocre Sci-Fi action film that was very little more than a philosophy based live action anime. It was worth the seven bucks I payed to see it, and was not a waste of my time, but it wasn’t shakespeare.
The third movie was (at least to me) a logical conclusion of what would likely happen in the protrayed paradigm (i mean did you really expect humans to win?), and was also a mediocre Sci-Fi action film that was very little more than a philosophy based live action anime. It was worth the eight bucks I payed to see it, and was not a waste of my time, but it wasn’t in line for any awards for acting or writing before it was written.
All three had plot holes and massive leaps of logic and expected the viewer to extend disbelief around his elbow to his asshole. None of them were ‘mindblowing’, and I really wish people would stop expecting ‘THE GREATEST MOVIE EVER’ ™ every time a movie puts out a little hype. I saw the same thing at the Hulk, which also was not a bad movie (or am I the only one who ever watched some truly bad super-hero movies e.g. batman forever, the fantastic four, or captain america) but people were expecting it to be as good as Xmen or Spiderman.
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To answer your question, the earth isn’t just surrounded by clouds, but by a HUGE thick electromagnetic storm. The machines couldn’t safely build a ‘tower to the sun’ any more than they could (apparently) shield themselves from an EMPulse (which we do all the time with todays technology, but can’t seem to be done by hyperintelligent machines in the future). The ‘survival’ of Neo’s little trip to the upper atmosphere was supposed to be another little miracle in the legend.
Near as I remember, they were. He just stopped the squids that came after them. And as crazy and wild as that was, the rest of the squids were about to break through to Zion… so Neo’s little trick (also remember he was in a coma), took a backseat to all the other stuff…
But I’m sure they were amazed all the same 
I’m testing something I just saw in anothe rpost. Dunno how he did it, so I’m taking a stab at it…
Is this text within a spoiler box?
Okay. If that worked, I have a new best friend.
I’ll have to wait for the posting to find out, however.
In regards to what stick said: Ah. That makes sense. i also wondered why they didn’t just line the odcks with a whole buncha emps, and why they didn’t plan better and give themselves some NON COMPUTER CONTROLLED defences, so that an EMP would not hurt them.
And, for that matter. Where were all the other ships? They had a bunch of them in reloaded, but now only the one that Niobi is flying is available to do an EMP burst?
While I thought the firs tmovie was well thought out and didn’t have gaping plotholes, the thrid one left me with seems to be huge gaps.
Remember friends, do not try to suck the sweat off a dead dog’s balls.
That’s impossible.
Instead only try to realize the truth.