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In among the cluster of stories about Ms. Hilton’s travails topping my Yahoo page was this article about the possibility of her fellow reality TV star Nicole Ritchie, a rich, black heiress, going to jail for a second DUI within ten years. If she is convicted and incarcerated, there will no doubt be a similar media storm.
It that the type of similar black media coverage you are looking for?
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Not that I think it has anything to with race, but Nicole Richie gets nowhere near the level of attention that Paris Hilton does.
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In among the cluster of stories about Ms. Hilton’s travails topping my Yahoo page was this article about the possibility of her fellow reality TV star Nicole Ritchie, a rich, black heiress, going to jail for a second DUI within ten years. If she is convicted and incarcerated, there will no doubt be a similar media storm.
It that the type of similar black media coverage you are looking for?
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She’s black? Seriously? This girl?
So, obviously, GuyNblueJeans, is upset with Shrub “giving” all those billions for AIDS not for any reasons that have to do with “immoral behavior,” but because it’s going to teh darkies. Nice.
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If you have two black parents and black godparents, presumably.
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I had no idea it was so restrictive. Her dad is Latin American. Does that disqualify her?
How does Paris’ father being alive make Nicole an heiress? In order to inherit, the fortune must be transferred after the death of a relative. Is Paris related to Nicole?
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So, obviously, GuyNblueJeans, is upset with Shrub “giving” all those billions for AIDS not for any reasons that have to do with “immoral behavior,” but because it’s going to teh darkies. Nice.
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This guy also advocated eugenics and forced sterilization [not for Jews, just for Ted Koppel and people on welfare] in GD. Why the fuck didn’t I go ahead and Pit him then???
You know, I guess this explains why the references to Nazis in that thread didn’t deter him.
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I had no idea it was so restrictive. Her dad is Latin American. Does that disqualify her?
How does Paris’ father being alive make Nicole an heiress? In order to inherit, the fortune must be transferred after the death of a relative. Is Paris related to Nicole?
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The point was that Paris gets called an "heiress’ too even though she hasn’t inherited yet.
The words “heir” and “heiress” designate some who is entitled to inherit something as well as someone who already has. Just because Lionel Ritchie is still alive doesn’t mean his daughter is not an heir to his fortune.
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This guy also advocated eugenics and forced sterilization [not for Jews, just for Ted Koppel and people on welfare] in GD. Why the fuck didn’t I go ahead and Pit him then???
You know, I guess this explains why the references to Nazis in that thread didn’t deter him.
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I think he should change his username to GuyNBrownShirt.
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I had no idea it was so restrictive. Her dad is Latin American. Does that disqualify her?
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Her biological father has not been publicly acknowledged by her, as far as I know. It may be Latin American musician Pete Escovedo. Her biological mother is also mostly unknown.
However, she has been raised by black adoptive parents since she was an infant, and has decided that she’d rather consider herself part of that family.
Because Paris Hilton is also described as an heiress, and that apparently hasn’t seemed to bother your overly-semantic self any.
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However, she has been raised by black adoptive parents since she was an infant, and has decided that she’d rather consider herself part of that family.
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So when you said that being black means having two black parents, you were not referring to biology? Anyone raised by black parents, no matter how white, is black? Is anyone raised by white parents then white?
How can you possibly know that?
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The words “heir” and “heiress” designate some who is entitled to inherit something as well as someone who already has.
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My father is alive. Is my sister an heiress? She will, presumably, be left something in his will.
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So when you said that being black means having two black parents, you were not referring to biology? Anyone raised by black parents, no matter how white, is black? Is anyone raised by white parents then white?
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You seem to be awfully bothered by the idea that an adopted person might want to identify with the people that raised her from infancy instead of with the biological parents she never knew until recently.
Please cite any thread on the SMDB where you took issue with the labeling of Paris as an “heiress” because her father was still alive.
Oh, and feel free to throw in any cite where you took issue with Patty Hearst also being labeled an heiress, despite the fact that her dad didn’t pass away until 2000.
Considering you seem to love pointless semantic minutiae so, yes. Technically, she is an heiress, just as you an heir to your father’s undoubtedly vast and hilton-like fortune.
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If she is designated in the will then yes, she is an heiress. So are you probably – well not an heiress, an heir.
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So lots and lots and lots of folks are heiresses, which makes the designation redundant. Normally, the term refers to one who inherits a great fortune, or who, as you pointed out, will inherit a great fortune. Paris Hilton is heir to a great fortune. Nicole Richie has a wealthy father. Not the same thing at all. And she’s about as black as my Aunt Fanny.
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You seem to be awfully bothered by the idea that an adopted person might want to identify with the people that raised her from infancy instead of with the biological parents she never knew until recently.
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You seem to make great, unsupported leaps of logic. I am not the least bit bothered. And you also seem to be unable to answer a direct question. Is a black person raised by white people white?
There’s that pesky logic thingy again. The claim is yours, and therefore the burden of proof.
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So lots and lots and lots of folks are heiresses, which makes the designation redundant. Normally, the term refers to one who inherits a great fortune, or who, as you pointed out, will inherit a great fortune. Paris Hilton is heir to a great fortune. Nicole Richie has a wealthy father.
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She’s a lot richer than that, to be gal-palling around with Paris Hilton.
She’s blacker than one of her black godfathers.
Nicole Ritchie considers herself at least partly black, because the parents she’s known all her life are black.
If you have a problem with that, feel free to take it up with her. I have no issue with it at all, but then again, I actually have adopted cousins who are not biologically the same race as I am.
To do what, show that you haven’t said something? The positive claim is yours, not mine.
Okay. Here’s all the posts where you say the same thing about anyone else labeled “heiress” when their fathers are still alive.
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Done! Now feel free to show one bit of positive evidence that I’m wrong.
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Ok, so that video made a number of factual assertions. Here’s a handful from my memory of watching it.
[ol][li]Christopher Newsom was emasculated.[]Channon Christian was forced to watch as Newsom’s body was set aflame. []Channon’s breast(s) was/were cut off.[]Drain cleaner was poured down Channon’s throat while she was alive.[]Adam Yeomans has actively tried to prevent the story from being covered.[/ol]If you can substantiate more than half of those, with primary sources please, we’ll talk.[/li]
Enjoy,
Steven
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I did not watch the video but here is some validation to the charges against the individuals in the Newsome/Christian case.
Outside of the ravings of racist nutcases, has anyone made a statistical comparison of “hate crime” charges of black on white vs. white on black crimes (or for that matter white on Hispanic/Asian/gay/Martian/etc. vs. Hispanic/Asian/gay/Martian/etc. on white crimes)? What about Hispanic on Asian hate crimes? I would be interested to see how crimes are reported and charged. Wasn’t there a recent case of a man being beaten up by a couple lesbians?
As for Paris, I’m glad that she was set free. You combine the staph infection that is running rampant through that jail with whatever fauna is running rampant through her body and you have a recipe for a pandemic.
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To do what, show that you haven’t said something? The positive claim is yours, not mine.
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This is the claim. Are you saying that you did not make it?
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So lots and lots and lots of folks are heiresses, which makes the designation redundant.
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Not redundant, just usually not very interesting.
In the entertainment media, that seems to be the case, but the dictionary definition of the word does not require either a dead parent or a great fortune.
I don’t think I see the difference. I believe (correct me if I’m wrong) that Lionel Ritchie’s personal worth is in nine figures. How much wealth does it take to qualify as a “fortune?”
I have not offered any opinion at all on how she self-identifies racially.
