And I’m still waiting to see the proof that turning widdershins seventeen and a half times while chanting “wubba wubba wubba” doesn’t work.
And we are waiting for some indication it does work. There haven’t been studies to determine if axel grease applied thrice daily to your belly in a counter clockwise motion will help arthritis are we fools to discount it?
Nice, grow the hell up and try to participate in an adult discussion. If there are people who have tried this and claim it has helped them, what’s the problem. You may not believe it, but your childish arguments about axle grease and widdershins certainly don’t help you position. If you have something intelligent to add, by all means feel free, if not…
JFLuvly there are people out there who believe just about anything. There is almost no proposition out there where you cannot find sincere believers on either side. You need some kind of decent objective evidence otherwise you are fucking with the health of desperate sick people. I find that somewhat repugnant.
There are people out there who believe all manner of things. That doesn’t make them right. Columbus believed that the world was about 15 thousand miles around, and he was completely wrong; the only reason he and his crew survived was that he was the luckiest son of a bitch in the history of the world.
The problem is that it’s a lot easier for someone to say that something works than it is to do a real scientific test of whether something actually works. If anyone did actually do a study (which would take years at least, and dozens of researchers and hundreds of test subjects) of hemp oil that proved it didn’t work after all, then this fellow could, the very next day and all by himself, come up with some other miraculous snake-oil and claim that that was the cure-all, instead. So there will always be thousands of times more untested claims than there are tested claims.
The hole in your argument is the fact that all around the world, researchers are finding new and compelling evidence that marijuana is helping to fight many diseases. Soldiers with brain injuries are healing faster with less problems, people with chronic pain are feeling better, it may stave off Alzheimer’s disease, AIDS patients are being helped by it and so on and so on, I could continue all night. The man is making the same hash oil people would normally buy and smoke, he is just applying it topically or orally. Just because he does not have a degree or work for big pharma is no reason to say it does not work. Show me the evidence thats says it does not work and then you have an argument. All through history there are people were called crazy because of an idea that did not follow the norm, but many were right in the end.
Cite? No, seriously, point me to a reputable, properly designed study in a peer-reviewed study, and I’ll look at it. Those qualifications are important, by the way, to prove that the claims are true, and there aren’t other possible explanations. This is how science works. It does not work by accepting the unsupported word of some guy on YouTube.
Agreed. But that’s a loooong way from proving that it does.
No, the burden of proof is on the person making the extraordinary claim. If these things work as he claims, it would be a simple matter to provide real evidence of it.
There have been vastly more people who were called crazy because they were crazy. And exponentially more people who have made seemingly crazy claims in an attempt to take gullible peoples’ money. From a purely statistical standpoint, the odds that this guy is a misunderstood genius are vanishingly small.
:smack: Knew something was wrong with that. Sorry, it’s been years since I worked in cardiology and I was going off memory.
Which gets counterproductive because most of those anti-“red eye” drops have a rebound effect, sort of like those OTC nasal decongestant sprays, I gather.
It is not a simple matter to provide the evidence. It requires lots of money and time to make good studies. If it was simple we would be referring JFLuvly to studies showing him this didn’t work or he would be linking to the studies.
Put it this way, JLuvly: Tell us why we should take this guy’s word over the word of any of the thousands of other folks selling cure-alls. Why should I buy his hemp oil, instead of some other guy’s magnets or pyramids or mineral salts?
Most of us human adults have devices called “bullshit detectors” hardwired into our brains. It enables us to tell the difference between “unusual claims that might be true” and “ridiculous claims that not only are untrue but obviously exist only as a means for their perpetrator to try and further his own ends” (known by its scientific term “bullshit”). If you have to ask “What if he’s right?” I suspect your bullshit detector may be malfunctioning and you may want to take it into the shop to be checked.
This line made me curious. I was trying to find early 1900’s posters for the heroin/cocaine medicines through google. Instead, I found this gem as #1 when inputting “cure all diseases poster”. Don’t read this unless you want your brain to hurt. 
Bonus points for the linked url misspelling Virtually as Vurtually.
Well, yes, I know. I’m working towards being a professional research scientist. That’s why I made that comment about needing properly designed studies in peer-reviewed journals. But if I want to stand forth and proclaim that I have made a discovery that overturns the status quo, it is my responsibility to provide the evidence. It is not the responsibility of the rest of the world to test my theory for me. They’re welcome to try and shoot me down, but I have to provide something to work with first.
Without proper studies, the best you can say is that we don’t know whether it works or not, no matter how many anecdotes are provided.
I’m curious how many of the nay sayers have actually looked at the website. The man is not selling anything, he may have a spot to donate , but pretty much every website has one of those in one form or another. Look at his site, read some of the links then make up your mind. I remember years ago a guy on Oprah who claimed to cure cancer with water by reprogramming it somehow, have not heard a word since then… gotta go be back in a bit to finish.
I’m curious: do you take that guy’s claim seriously too, and are we also supposed to provide evidence that that doesn’t work?
OK, I went to his website (if it is the http://phoenixtears.ca/index.php one). Based on the name, I was hoping it would claim that marihuana neutralizes basilisk venom (:D).
I couldn’t read anything on the Articles tab, which is where I went first, because it gives me a “Page Not Found” error.
I clicked around the Researchers page, and got some better results. I found this -
Also this -
which may or may not be true, but has little to do with hash oil as a cure-all.
This seems to be one of the bolder statements on the site -
But it doesn’t seem to be cited. I would have thought that someone might have tested it over the last thirty five years, if it is so incredibly successful. The paragraph goes on to say
which is a little too sweeping for my taste.
To be fair, there were a lot of things like this -
which could well be true.
Unfortunately, it seemed to be mostly like this -
This, I guess, falls into the category of “interesting if replicable”. Which is a pretty big If.
I started watching the YouTube vid, and couldn’t make it past the first few minutes. He is claiming (apparently) that hash oil cures cancer, and that the big drug companies are suppressing this knowledge to protect their profits.
A claim made by nearly all quacks, and which never made any sense to me. Pharma company executives and their families get cancer too. Does it make sense that they would be willing to die, or let their families die, to protect profitability in their industry?
Sorry, don’t buy it. It seems to suffer from the flaw that most “hemp” advocates seem to suffer from - an unfortunate tendency to over-state their case. It isn’t enough that smoking weed is fairly innocuous and might even help in a few cases of chronic pain or chemotherapy nausea. No, it cures cancer, balances the budget, helps in times of feeling “not so fresh”, gives you the best blowjob of your life and makes breakfast the next morning. All for free.
Maybe it does, but I need to see a little more by way of hard evidence.
Regards,
Shodan
What might bear further investigation is the report in Nature Medicine journal (cited above) that indicates that cannabis may have been responsible for the reduction of 1/3 of the glial tumors in rats in one study. If this is so, then further testing and study is called for. Whether that finding can be translated into “Cures cancer” is quite the leap.
As for the pharmaceutical companies hushing up such findings, it would seem to me that they’d be the ones who’d most likely profit from developing such a drug themselves. And you can bet they’re trying, too.
Chronos,
I’m not saying to take his word for it, I just hate people arguing a point without any way to back it up. You say I am wrong for thinking it may work without any studies, but you are doing the same thing, you have no proof it does not work.
Smeg,
http://www.a1b2c3.com/drugs/mj021.htm
looking at the use of marijuana to treat brain injuries in soldiers, they are also looking at it to treat PTSD. There are all kinds of studies to show marijuana is useful as a medicine but I do not have time to search for them.
Once again as I said the last time we hashed this out, I really don’t care if it works or not, I just don’t like people ripping a guy apart with no evidence to back them up.
No, it’s not the same thing at all. The burden of proof lies with the person making the claim. It is not up to anyone else to disprove it. It is up to him to prove it. And so far, he has come quite a bit short of his claim that hash oil cures cancer, or whatever.
Like CC says, a study that shows some kind of anti-tumor activity in lab animals is not the same thing as proof of anything. And we should avoid the scattershot method of scientific inquiry - even if hash is useful against tumors, that is not evidence that it works against PTSD. The two claims have nothing to do with each other unless you can describe a common mechanism of healing.
Regards.
Shodan