[QUOTE=begbert2]
I’m currently favoring “God kept Marcus around specifically to arrange for this scenario to dick with DtC.” 
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I like that one. (Though I don’t believe in God.)
[QUOTE=KGS]
Enlighten me, then?
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See, the thing is, you’re insisting on the reality of ghosts because science hasn’t proven they don’t exist.
The rest of us, see all the experiments and tests many have applied in this area; all the data that has turned up zilch in the realm of the paranormal, and we insist this gives us good reason not to believe.
I think we’re standing on firmer ground here.
[QUOTE=begbert2]
Pheh, if we’re going to entertain the idea that Marcus isn’t imaginary, then it’s quite easy to invent a fictional backstory that explains it adequetley enough.
I’m currently favoring “God kept Marcus around specifically to arrange for this scenario to dick with DtC.”
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Doesn’t hurt to use a little rhetoric to try and get the believers to start employing some level of critical thinking into the proposition of “ghosts”.
Here’s another!
Say Der Trihs were to drop dead. Right now. (Sorry DT)…
You know, as well as I, that he’d be truly gobsmacked to find his mortal coil shed, yet his glowing consciousness still remaining; glowing eerily blue, and dressed in a frilly cambric shirt, a sack coat and knickers, wearing tights and buckled shoes.
Anyhow, don’t you think he’d employ every ghost-given right to haunt somebody or something to communicate there is an afterlife, after all? I think he’d seek out Dio in the ethereal phone book, and give him the low-down.
ETA: Times that by every other non-believer out there, and we’d all be inundated with ghosts. It’d be downright commonplace.
[QUOTE=cmyk]
Doesn’t hurt to use a little rhetoric to try and get the believers to start employing some level of critical thinking into the proposition of “ghosts”.
Here’s another!
Say Der Trihs were to drop dead. Right now. (Sorry DT)…
You know, as well as I, that he’d be truly gobsmacked to find his mortal coil shed, yet his glowing consciousness still remaining; glowing eerily blue, and dressed in a frilly cambric shirt, a sack coat and knickers, wearing tights and buckled shoes.
Anyhow, don’t you think he’d employ every ghost-given right to haunt somebody or something to communicate there is an afterlife, after all? I think he’d seek out Dio in the ethereal phone book, and give him the low-down.
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Ah, but is Dio a ghost whisperer? It seems to be clearly stated in the mythos canon (meenie7’s posts) that ghost whisperers are extremely rare, and so it’s nigh-certian that DtC isn’t one.
One supposes that, having been in this thread, he could look up meenie, but when that fails to work we can easily speculate that each ghost whisperer is only attuned to a certain range of ‘frequencies’ of ghosts, and the by sheer chance DT falls outside her range.
This is kinda fun! (Largely pointless, but fun.)
(And I don’t believe in God either, but then I also don’t believe in ghosts, so if I’m entertaining one idea I don’t believe in I don’t mind entertaining others too if it’s conventient.)
[QUOTE=cmyk]
Out of the millions of people that die every year, on top of all the animals that perish as well, why would only a handful stick around? If ‘Marcus’ has no trouble, whatsoever, experiencing our world, and interacting with meenie, what’s to stop thousands of others interacting with the rest of the population at large?
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‘Marcus’ ate them.
So, you do need a ghost gland!
[QUOTE=Grumman]
‘Marcus’ ate them.
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What an ass.
[QUOTE=Cisco]
And the alliance of internet dudes with hand on dick in pant will not soon be forgotten. They deserve a lot more blame around here than they get, and not just in this thread.
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Heh. That’s why Adam and Eve - in a believable bible - would be too occupied with making nookie (and smiley faces) to bother with the the apple of knowledge.
[QUOTE=cmyk]
So, you do need a ghost gland!
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It would seem so - perhaps some vanishingly rare gene combination. Or maybe alternatively it’s a switch that God toggles off in skeptics and on in credulous people, again to forward his manifest goal of dicking with people.
[Disclaimer to all - this is all speculation that we are pulling of our asses, for recreational purposes (in my case, anyway). If it offends you that adult people can play What If and Let’s Pretend…then STFU :D]
[QUOTE=KGS]
Oh, give it a rest already, Diogen! Have you bothered to read the responses so far? YOU are the one being dogpiled here. And just so we’re clear, it has nothing to do with your disbelief in ghosts, and everything to do with the fact that you’re acting like a total asshole.
For cripes’ sake, even begbert2 is urging you to knock it off. That fact alone should tell you something.
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Has it occurred to you that there are people who agree with Diogenes and Der Trihs who do not find it worthwhile to wade in and engage in a fruitless arguement with the flagrant ignorance and lack of understanding of science displayed by your side of this argument? You and the 5 people who agree with you do not constitute a dogpile. You constitute frothing illogic without a grasp of the basics of science. begbert ignored my post correcting him about his understanding of physics because it did not suit his point, but it is valid. You may not like Diogenes’ presentation or Der Trih’s attitude on a personal level (which is apparent), but that doesn’t mean they’re wrong and you’re right because your crew and meenie7 are “nicer” or showing more “open-mindedness.”
If you make an extraordinary claim, like “ghosts are real,” and you want that claim to be received with anything but disbelief and outright dismissal, the onus is on you to prove it, not everyone else to disprove it. That’s the bottom line. Pity for meenie’s vulnerability or emotional distress changes nothing WRT that.
[QUOTE=Rubystreak]
Has it occurred to you that there are people who agree with Diogenes and Der Trihs who do not find it worthwhile to wade in and engage in a fruitless arguement with the flagrant ignorance and lack of understanding of science displayed by your side of this argument? You and the 5 people who agree with you do not constitute a dogpile.
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If you make an extraordinary claim, like “ghosts are real,” and you want that claim to be received with anything but disbelief and outright dismissal, the onus is on you to prove it, not everyone else to disprove it.
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Could you please point to 5 people within this thread (meenie7 excepted) who have put forth such a position?
[QUOTE=Labrador Deceiver]
Could you please point to 5 people within this thread (meenie7 excepted) who have put forth such a position?
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Anyone in this thread who is saying there’s some scientific possibility there are ghosts, that it hasn’t been disproven, or that Diogenes is a nasty bad man and leave meenie and her ghost alone! would count. Far more than five. This is a ten page thread, I’m sure you can find 3-4 of them on the last page alone. You can start the numbering with yourself, begbert, and KGS.
[QUOTE=Rubystreak]
You can start the numbering with yourself,
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You’re a fucking moron.
I’m just waiting for Tony Snow’s ghost to come haunt the shit out of DtC. I’ll be the girl in the corner laughing her ass off.
[QUOTE=Labrador Deceiver]
You’re a fucking moron.
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And you’re a fucking GENIUS. Nice comeback. You win teh intarwebs!
I think you can pack it in now.
[QUOTE=Rubystreak]
Has it occurred to you that there are people who agree with Diogenes and Der Trihs who do not find it worthwhile to wade in and engage in a fruitless arguement with the flagrant ignorance and lack of understanding of science displayed by your side of this argument? You and the 5 people who agree with you do not constitute a dogpile. You constitute frothing illogic without a grasp of the basics of science. begbert ignored my post correcting him about his understanding of physics because it did not suit his point, but it is valid. You may not like Diogenes’ presentation or Der Trih’s attitude on a personal level (which is apparent), but that doesn’t mean they’re wrong and you’re right because your crew and meenie7 are “nicer” or showing more “open-mindedness.”
If you make an extraordinary claim, like “ghosts are real,” and you want that claim to be received with anything but disbelief and outright dismissal, the onus is on you to prove it, not everyone else to disprove it. That’s the bottom line. Pity for meenie’s vulnerability or emotional distress changes nothing WRT that.
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It’s called empathy. It’s called not being a total dick. This has little to do with the actual science, but pitting someone who claims to know a ghost is well, just mean. I know you guys all think you are on a holy crusade to beat anyone into submission who claims to have experiences with the supernatural, but sometimes it’s just too much.
This has nothing to do with science or anything, it has to do with respect.
Diogenes is the same as any Christian handing out tracts, a mean zealot.
[QUOTE=Rubystreak]
begbert ignored my post correcting him about his understanding of physics because it did not suit his point, but it is valid.
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Out of curiosity which post was that? I must have missed it, or felt it was answered by something I posted to someone else. (I don’t refrain from replying to people for the purpose of avoiding their arguments.)
[QUOTE=Rubystreak]
And you’re a fucking GENIUS. Nice comeback. You win teh intarwebs!
I think you can pack it in now.
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Bullshit. You accused me of holding a position, and I want your pathetic little pea brain to come up with a citation for it.
You’re damn right I fucking win, because you haven’t got so much as a toothpick to stand on.
[QUOTE=begbert2]
Ha ha ha! Dude, you twit, I’m always on your side in the religion threads!
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But the arguments you are using, the viewpoint you are adopting were created by the religious to handwave away the incoherence and baselessness of their beliefs. In a sense, you are arguing against yourself. Sort of as if I posted saying that I knew there was no God because the spirits told me so.
[QUOTE=Der Trihs]
But the arguments you are using, the viewpoint you are adopting were created by the religious to handwave away the incoherence and baselessness of their beliefs. In a sense, you are arguing against yourself. Sort of as if I posted saying that I knew there was no God because the spirits told me so.
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Nonsense; you just don’t understand the argument I’m using, which was created by science so it wouldn’t get stuck in a rut the first time somebody discovered that they were mistaken.
And Rubystreak, kindly point to one place I said that anybody should believe in ghosts without first proving they exist in a scientifically sound manner (which to date nobody has), if you can.