Meenie7's invisible friend

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And Labrador, you were coming off there as frothing at the mouth, IMO.
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I don’t really care. Hell, I never even denied that I was pissed. I explained why I got upset, pointed to the exact post that set me off (415), and left Rubystreak on fairly good terms.

Thanks for bringing it back up, though. You’ve been very helpful.

On top of that, to call Dio’s actions in this thread “consistent” and “steady” makes you look quite foolish. See the aforementioned post for one such piece of total garbage.

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…to call Dio’s actions in this thread “consistent” and “steady” makes you look quite foolish.
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He’s been steadily and consistently acting like a jerk, so I guess those words do apply.

And you two have steadily, consistently, and purposely mistaken Dio’s statements for acting like a jerk, even though you had to imagine it was so and put words in his mouth. Your creation of this monstrous Dio, who is being so very cruel to Meenie, is just as untrue as her Marcus, but she may have the excuse of illness to protect her. You two do not. You are deliberate liars out to cause trouble, which makes you trolls.

[QUOTE=dropzone]
And you two have steadily, consistently, and purposely mistaken Dio’s statements for acting like a jerk, even though you had to imagine it was so and put words in his mouth. Your creation of this monstrous Dio, who is being so very cruel to Meenie, is just as untrue as her Marcus, but she may have the excuse of illness to protect her. You two do not. You are deliberate liars out to cause trouble, which makes you trolls.
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Post 415. I’m not mistaking shit.

Despite the fact that people keep saying it, I’ve never had a problem with the way Dio has treated meenie. Rather than type it again for the 300th time for people like you who haven’t been paying attention, maybe you should go back and read through my posts again before you call me a troll.

Also, I’d like for you to point out one instance where I have misrepresented his position. You’re either mistaking me for someone else, or you’re lying. Much like Dio’s scenario, there are no other options.

[QUOTE=Labrador Deceiver]
Post 415. I’m not mistaking shit.

Despite the fact that people keep saying it, I’ve never had a problem with the way Dio has treated meenie. Rather than type it again for the 300th time for people like you who haven’t been paying attention, maybe you should go back and read through my posts again before you call me a troll.

Also, I’d like for you to point out one instance where I have misrepresented his position. You’re either mistaking me for someone else, or you’re lying. Much like Dio’s scenario, there are no other options.
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Upon review, I notice that you have used the words “you two” multiple times in this thread, and the first time was not in reference to me. I will assume the second time wasn’t either.

Post 415 was just a mistake. LD I lost track of who was trying to argue that ghosts were possible and who wasn’t. If it really bothers you, I apologize.

ETA, how have my posts been inconsistent?

[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic]
Post 415 was just a mistake. LD I lost track of who was trying to argue that ghostswere possible and who wasn’t. If it really bothers you, I apologize.
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Thank you. I apologize for calling you a troll.

[QUOTE=Labrador Deceiver]
Also, I’d like for you to point out one instance where I have misrepresented his position. You’re either mistaking me for someone else, or you’re lying. Much like Dio’s scenario, there are no other options.
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Mistook you for someone else, sorta. My loathing for KGS in this thread (I’m sure he’s utterly charming in real life, but he’s gotten, fucked, and sacrificed my goat to Satan in this thread) spilled over and splattered you, too. I apologize for calling you a troll and will remove myself from this thread, which even I find boring, and I’m a professional draftsman and know from boring.

[QUOTE=dropzone]
My loathing for KGS in this thread (I’m sure he’s utterly charming in real life, but he’s gotten, fucked, and sacrificed my goat to Satan in this thread)
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Aw, yer such a sweetie pie. :cool:

I told meenie that y’all had stamina.

[QUOTE=dropzone]
Finally, I think we have something we can (almost) all agree on: muttrox may NEVER undertand the difference between “objective” and “subjective.”
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But he still managed to almost( Begbert2, you spoilsport! ) sum up this entire debate, with one reasonably short and funny post.

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I told meenie that y’all had stamina.
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I take it then that meenie has decided on no longer gracing us with her precense and that no further information on her adventures & motivations will be forthcoming?

Since you seem to have access to the hotline :slight_smile:

OK, having read 12 pages of the insanity I’ve earned the right to comment I think …

[QUOTE=Trunk]
Actually, that dice experiment provided incredible results.
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Eh, maybe not. If you put the number on each dice (Dice A is a 6, Dice B is a 1, etc) the odds were around 1 in 25million and a plane to Vegas would be in order.

Chances are you wouldn’t name the six sided dice (The six sided dice are 6, 6, 2 and 1, the 10 sided is a 5, etc) the odds for that are around 1 in a million, maybe try Atlantic City first.

BUT if you just picked a list of numbers (there’ll be three sixes, a 2, a 7, etc) then the odds depend on the numbers picked, for meenie’s first set the odds of a hit are only 1 in 700. I’d still not want to play poker against you but it’s not that impressive.

Interestingly it’s a good set of numbers to pick, lower numbers give more combinations and lower your odds a lot.

Similarly with the second set of numbers, there the odds were around 1 in 3300 for a complete match. The odds of hitting 6 out of eight? Around 1 in 3 ( actually 1:2.66 or 3:8 ). Pretty average.

Aren’t probabilities fun?

That, the four year old post, and my general gut feel lead me to believe that meenie believes what she’s saying. If I were her I’d investigate further, but I’d be wary of getting locked up. I see no reason when someone can’t progress through life functionally with a delusion like that, although I agree it’d be good to check there’s nothing else seriously wrong.

The problem is that, as far as I know, most professionals will want to cure somebody of their delusions but I believe there are a small but significant portion of people who like their delusions and are in no way hampered by them.
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You don’t have to be crazy or a liar. You just have to be someone with a desperate need to be special, combined with a tendency to self-delusion or suggestibility, and be surrounded by people willing to enable your delusions by saying polite things in support when you talk about them.

This is not abnormal. I’d say that anyone who has a religion which believes in such things as the power of prayer or any other active deity that influences the world fits in the same category. We just don’t call them crazy because our society has decided to tolerate that particular form of delusion.

But there’s one easy way to tell that ghosts that can predict dice rolls do not exist: Las Vegas. It still makes a profit. If anyone could truly tell the future, either from friendly ghosts, tea leaves, astrology, palmistry, or any other mechanism, Vegas would be cleaned out in days.

Hell, you don’t even need to be that specific. You don’t have to predict what the next spin of the roulette wheel will be - all you have to do is narrow down the results by three numbers, and you’re making a profit. If ‘lucky numbers’ really existed, and those lucky numbers were even slightly more likely to come up than not, vegas would be cleaned out.

It’s all self-delusion. But self-delusion can be powerful and cause you to believe in wacky things without you qualifying as insane or as a liar. Just gullible.

[QUOTE=Sam Stone]
You don’t have to be crazy or a liar. You just have to be someone with a desperate need to be special, combined with a tendency to self-delusion or suggestibility, and be surrounded by people willing to enable your delusions by saying polite things in support when you talk about them.

This is not abnormal. I’d say that anyone who has a religion which believes in such things as the power of prayer or any other active deity that influences the world fits in the same category. We just don’t call them crazy because our society has decided to tolerate that particular form of delusion.

But there’s one easy way to tell that ghosts that can predict dice rolls do not exist: Las Vegas. It still makes a profit. If anyone could truly tell the future, either from friendly ghosts, tea leaves, astrology, palmistry, or any other mechanism, Vegas would be cleaned out in days.

Hell, you don’t even need to be that specific. You don’t have to predict what the next spin of the roulette wheel will be - all you have to do is narrow down the results by three numbers, and you’re making a profit. If ‘lucky numbers’ really existed, and those lucky numbers were even slightly more likely to come up than not, vegas would be cleaned out.

It’s all self-delusion. But self-delusion can be powerful and cause you to believe in wacky things without you qualifying as insane or as a liar. Just gullible.
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In fairness, Meenie never claimed that her ghost friend could predict a future die roll. The test involved her rolling dice under an opaque cup, closing her eyes, lifting the cup, having the ghost look at the dice and report what he saw, and then her opening her eyes.

So that would be useless for any dice/roulette game in Vegas, useful in blackjack only if the ghost could look at face down cards, and useful in poker only if it could look at opponent’s hole cards.
But then, this thread isn’t really discussing whether Meenie’s ghost friend exists (although there’s some debate about whether it’s more accurate to say that he’s impossible or just extraordinarily unlikely).

[QUOTE=KGS]
FOR FUCK’S SAKE, DIO!! What is your major malfunction???

I’ve only just read this pair of threads to amuse myself while the boards were down, so let’s recap to make sure I’ve got this right:

(1) Meenie7 claims to have a ghost friend. She admits this in a IMHO thread which was soliciting personal anecdotes only.

(2) When pressed for further information, Meenie7 admits to having severe abandonment issues, typically manifest in close personal relationships which abruptly end with no warning or explanation.

Okay, even I get it. The most likely scenario (applying Occam’s Razor here) is that “Marcus” is imaginary. It’s a bit of an oversimplification, but that’s the gist of it. Who knows, perhaps there’s even a germ of truth to Marcus’ previous incarnation as a human being – though I’d be more apt to wager that the “ghost” part of Marcus comes from a slice of Meenie7 psyche that she just now reconnected with. (Which isn’t all that different from a so-called “real” ghost, when you think about it.)

I think it’s quite admirable, really. Meenie7 has a social need which she fulfilled via imagination. Who cares about flesh & blood people, anyway? Real people are unpredictable and annoying. Problem solved, and she didn’t have to pay thousands of dollars to a shrink to get there. I’m a bit jealous, really – I’d love to share movie night with a 19th century Emo teen!

Ah, but that’s not good enough for you, apparently. In your unwarranted opinion:
Those are your exact words. Later you amended it to say, “either deceptive or delusional,” and now you’ve dropped the whole “possibly schizophrenic” angle in favor of suggesting she might have a brain tumor instead. You and your RandiFanatic cronies continue to jeer and pester her until she starts to break down. Very nice, very nice. :rolleyes: Where the fuck do you get off??

You state unequivocably that meenie’s story is “impossible”, and you say that “ghosts have no place in science.” (Forgive me if those aren’t your exact words, but in any case that’s the essence of what you said.) Perhaps you can cite the appropriate peer-reviewed scientific study that thoroughly disproves the existence of ghosts, once and for all?

You say that you’ve worked with schizophrenics in a professional setting, and imply that this experience grants you insight into meenie7’s personality…and yet you completely miss the fact that she is female, calling her “he” on multiple occasions.

Did it ever occur to you that meenie’s delusion – if that’s what it is – might be entirely benign, perhaps even beneficial? It’s quite common for perfectly rational people to sublimate their emotions and experiences into an “imaginary” form; just ask any Christian who believes in Jesus Christ without all the bullshit fundie claptrap. (I’m as anti-religious as they come, but even I’ll concede that all major religions have at least SOME germ of truth to them. If nothing else, believing in a personal savior or guardian angel is infinitely comforting. Trust me, I used to live that life.)

Bottom line…to the objective observer, “Marcus” may be completely imaginary. However, it is blatantly apparent that Marcus is very REAL to meenie (at least in a subjective sense) and he is also REAL to the friend who expressed interest in him. Like it or not, imagination is a very REAL part of humanity – after all, it’s a product of brain neurons, when you get right down to it. (You do believe in brain neurons, don’t you??)

Okay smartypants, time for you to fess up. What IS your professional and educational background? Many of us already know some of it (you’ve talked about it before) but we could all use a refresher course. (And I don’t want to put words into your mouth, in case anything’s changed recently.) What makes you qualified to even discuss this matter?
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Bravo.

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Bravo.
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Bravo denied.

This is backwards - why would we ask science to prove a universal negative, which IS impossible, when the positive could so easily be proven with a simple demonstration under controlled conditions? Peer reviewed articles that prove that ghosts don’t exist? What a joke!

Everything that science has taught us so far tells us that what Meenie is saying is impossible, there is no disputing this (-100 points for the first person to use the word ‘quantum’ to argue with me on this). That is not that same as saying ‘science proves that ghosts don’t exist’. Science advances by people DEMONSTRATING things, with EXPERIMENTS - it is never absolute. But until someone DEMONSTRATES, with EXPERIMENTS in this case, the proper stance is that what Meenie is saying is not true (for whatever reason) - as it flies in the face of all kinds of well-established, experimentally verified science.

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…why would we ask science to prove a universal negative, which IS impossible…
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Yeah, like germs are impossible…atoms are impossible…the sun at the center of our solar system is impossible. :rolleyes:

Please provide a relevant cite that concludes such things are 100% impossible. I’d love to hear your reasoning for this.

You can start by reviewing Newtonian physics.

[QUOTE=KGS]
Yeah, like germs are impossible…atoms are impossible…the sun at the center of our solar system is impossible. :rolleyes:
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Well, they weren’t DEMONSTRATED impossible by well-designed scientific EXPERIMENTS, were they? No? Didn’t think so.

They were CLAIMED to be impossible by people pulling shit out of their asses. Like you have been doing in this thread.