Menaced by jaundiced incontinent thugs on the 38-Geary bus. Say it ain't so!

Those of you who listened to the “Hidden Cities” episode of NPR’s Snap Judgment, a weekly spoken word program hosted by Glynn Washington, will know immediately from the title what I’m talking about. Each episode comprises several stories told by different guests which are, as far as I know, taken from the tellers’ true lives. At any rate, they’re presented as such. Washington begins every episode with a brief tale of his own.

In the podcast I listened to last night, I was shocked by Washington’s opening tale. He lives in Oakland and works in San Francisco; every workday he takes the BART over to the City, then he gets on the 38 bus to ride to his workplace. He’s never experienced any kind of problem with the other passengers on the 38, so on one occasion, he’s totally perplexed by a friend who has turned out to be apoplectic with fear at the prospect of riding that particular bus line.

A couple of weeks pass, and now Washington finds he needs to put in some time at the office Saturday. It’s not that unusual for him to work the occasional Saturday, but this is the first time he couldn’t do it from home. On a typical workday, he makes an effort to dress up a bit and look professional, but this being Saturday it’s sneakers, threadbare jeans, tee, and a hoodie. As usual he takes along a large backpack containing his laptop, various notebooks for story ideas, and the usual odds and ends people carry in backpacks.

Just as every other working day, he takes the train across the and then gets transfers to the 38 bus, and takes a seat. It’s not very crowded, so he puts the backpack on the seat next to him, and takes out one of the notebooks to go over some of his writing. A big dangerous looking dude who smells of urine and has a yellowish cast to his eyes, saunters over and asks, “What’s in the bag?”

Washington ignores him pointedly. Yellow Eyes, as the narrator calls him, asks again:

“I said, what’s in the backpack?”
“Oh, you mean this bag here? This bag here is chock full of none of your damn business.”

He goes back to his notebook, but Yellow Eyes slams it out of his hands to the floor.

“I asked you a question! What’s up with the bag?”

Meanwhile, two of Yellow-Eyes accomplices also walk down the aisle to join the little party. One reeks of piss and the other has an evil, predatory smirk.

Oh, shit.

Taking a big gamble, our intrepid author rises up and attacks one of the three; fortunately the other two don’t join in. The bus stops just then and he gathers up his belongings and exits. He is immensely relieved that nobody else leaves the bus; nobody follows him.

Then it hits him: it’s Saturday! His normal go-to-work outfits, he concludes, were one reason he never had a problem on the bus before. Apparently bus-bullies in their natural habitat spare the workaday commuters on their daily treks to and from. But today’s dress-down clothes, I presume, made him look like any other potential target. Moreover, he goes on to say he now understands how public transit can be for the vulnerable. “If you’re short, if you’re old, if you’re female–it’s a different bus.”

Seriously?

I know the Fillmore District isn’t the best part of town, but I can’t imagine not being able to ride a bus through it. I live in L.A. myself, and have on occasion taken long bus rides through areas where I’d rather not. And while there have been a handful of incidents on our buses and trains over the years, they’re generally quite safe. But Glynn Washington’s narration implies that the 38-Geary is consistently dangerous for the unwise and unwary.

Can this really be true? Is it really that bad?

FTR Washington is African-American, although he doesn’t reveal the ethnicity of the three thugs on the bus. IIRC the Fillmore was traditionally an African-American neighborhood as well FWIW.

It’s been about 10 years since I lived in San Francisco and took the 38 regularly (I opted for the 38L whenever possible) and while I wouldn’t consider it a BAD line…well every single weirdo I encountered during my stay there was on the 38.
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[li]Guy who pissed all over the floor when the bus driver wouldn’t let him out[/li][li]Guy who sat and spit on the floor during the ride for no reason[/li][li]Guy who dropped his nachos and proceeded to eat them off the floor during the ride[/li][li]Dunno if he’s still around but even had the ‘pleasure’ of riding the bus with the crazy Asian man of Market street who always had a sign of words ending in ‘-ation’[/li][li]And finally, creepy screaming guy from the Embarcadero who spent the entire ride mumbling and shouting to himself[/li][/ul]

not SF, but a big Florida city, my ex bro-in law lectures my nephew (his son) about being racially judgmental about refusing to riding the city bus. He decides to prove it by riding along with him (through a rough neighborhood).

Minutes into the ride, bro-in law is verbally (and racially, being white) abused, threatened, and mildly assaulted.

Nephew claims he was not scared; rather it took all he had to keep from laughing …at his dad.

He never rode the city bus again, and not surprisingly, the topic never again come up at home.

The 38 is the route where I encountered someone bleeding so badly that blood was running down the ailsle. They got off at Divisadero, hopefully to go to either Kaiser or Mt. Zion. :eek:

The archtypical Crazy Person On The Bus is well known to just about all riders of big-city bus systems. It’s my belief trains, by contrast, are less attractive to them because they usually have much faster end-to-end run times, and everybody has to leave at the terminus. With buses, by contrast, a single run may last for several hours.

I’ve often been the only white person aboard the bus or railcar, and I’ve never been hassled. I’m not a dangerous looking guy by any stretch of the imagination, either. I wouldn’t take a long bus ride at night, but wouldn’t think twice about doing it in the daytime. Glynn Washington took his fateful ride on a Saturday morning, which ought to be a reasonably safe hour.

Well I’m also pretty sure they can’t use the Munipass on Bart. Or at least that’s how it was when I lived there. But yes, on cold, wet days, it’s not terribly surprising to see some of the homeless use the buses as temporary shelters of sorts. Can’t really blame them, but at the same time, don’t really want to sit next to them either.

Well, yes, I do know that they are separate systems, but that doesn’t mean they can’t ride both systems, does it? My point was merely that the typical slowness of buses and resulting amount of time it takes to ride a whole route makes buses more attractive as a form of temporary shelter.

It can be unpleasant, but these people are usually not worse than bad nuisances. They may be scorned or pitied, but they usually aren’t aggressively dangerous like the guys who tried to bully GW.

Mass transit is so democratizing and I miss it so. :dubious:

The New York subway must be an exception.

Me too. I’m proud to live in a country where everyone has the right to express their own urine without fear of reprisal.

I am a small, very white woman, and I ride public transit in San Francisco all the time. Yes, there are occasional very weird people, but I’ve learned not to be afraid of them, and I feel comfortable riding any time between 7:00 a.m. and 10:00 p.m.

On Saturday, I got on the wrong bus and rode across the entire city on a bus that was…interesting. I ended up taking a total of 8 separate rides on public transit in order to complete my business. The worst problems were the smell and the crowding. The most difficulty occurred when about 30 teenagers boarded an already crowded bus. I also had one bus with a helpful guy who appointed himself conductor. Whenever an elderly person or a woman with a baby got on, he would announce it loudly and request that someone give up their seat. He would then direct internal bus traffic to get the person safely seated. I also rode one bus that had two people in wheelchairs boarding. The first was slow but otherwise uneventful. The second was an uncommunicative woman being pushed by a slightly off guy. The woman had her legs straight in front of her, and her chair managed to fill the entire bus aisle, so all of the passengers, including many little old ladies, had to pull their feet up onto their seats in order to let her pass. There was some murmuring among the passengers at the shared inconvenience, but we all managed without incident. One well dressed woman who might have been a tourist said to her friend, “Well, this is certainly a side of San Francisco that most tourists don’t see.”

I’ve had the strangest incidents on BART trains. I once had a guy loudly question my age, and then, although I didn’t respond, repeatedly discuss what he thought my age was with the entire car full of people. Depressingly, he was only one year off. Thanks, pal. I also once rode on a transbay train that had a very lively crap game going on in the middle of the aisle.

The one thing I have never experienced in 24 years of riding public transit in San Francisco is overt racism or menacing.

Come to think of it, I wouldn’t have a problem with a longish evening bus ride in most parts of town here, but there are a few places where I wouldn’t want to do this.

New York is exceptional in many ways, because of the extensive subway network. It’s my understanding that city buses are geared more towards crosstown travel, and you don’t usually need to take a long trip by bus. You wouldn’t take a bus the length of Manhattan, for example, because the subway lines serve that purpose.

I know many commuters use suburban bus lines, but those aren’t really in the same category as a typical public transit bus.