A fine service you’ve provided. Thanks!
I certainly do. I mean, it’s in the Alps, it’s on the Swiss franc, it’s traditionally been a tax haven for shady billionaires, and they gave women the right to vote ridiculously late - all the actual differences are trivial.
Don’t lump me in with those bible thumpers, thank you very much. Not my God.
Huh. Thank you for the reply!
Of course. Why choose to discuss matters of complexity in complex terms when it’s so much more simple to be simplistic?
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Poke 'em and eventually the truth comes out of 'em.
Take that up with the DHS.
And often much closer to the truth.
Is that where the link goes? I guess I just lost a bet with myself. I would have thought Jack Chick
Again, Gen. Flynn’s comment before it was redacted by CNN and parroted by straightdopers.
Flynn argued that religion “is the foundation of this country,” which was “created as a Judeo-Christian country with the beautiful set of values and principles that we have.”
For the 4th? 5th? time, you haven’t provided any cites for your version of Michael Flynn’s statements or ‘thoughts.’
OK. But that statement does not reconcile with “one religion” from the reputed quote by Michael Flynn. They are very much not the same religion.
It also leaves out all the other faiths, which I personally take issue with but I’d rather not fly off on that tangent.
Only those Christians for whom the Jews figure into their tales of Armageddon. And frankly, I’m am continually baffled why support of a foreign country has anything to do with the United States, much less a nation that didn’t exist at the founding of the Republic and the legitimacy of its founding is debatable within the global Jewish community.
If an American wants to support Israel more power to them. And if an American does not want to support Israel that is just as much their right. Supporting a foreign nation should not be some sort of badge of honor or checkbox for “good citizen”.
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^ What he said (one of our Israeli members, which you may not know being new around here).
Okay, you don’t deserve this @webwarrior but for any one else that comes in and feels you may have been treated unfairly, here’s an article from a Christian (Baptist) website that includes a transcript of the relevant parts of the speech:
And then Ronald Reagan a couple of hundred years later again talked about it as the shining city on the hill. And they’re talking about the United States of America. Talking about the United States of America. ‘Cause when Matthew mentioned it in the Bible, he wasn’t talking about the physical ground that he was on; he was talking about something in the distance. So, if we are going to have one nation under God, which we must, we have to have one religion, one, one, one nation under God and one religion under God. Right? All of us together. Working together. I don’t care what your ecumenical service is or what you are.
I quoted a bit before and after, but a larger portion is in the original. So yeah, he’s open to all sects of Christians (he throws the valueless term Judeo-Christian of course). And I can’t help but notice the piece you quoted comes up moments previous to this section. So you’ve been obviously cherry picking quotes while ignoring he did indeed directly indicate one religion, you just are dancing around it.
My guess was “religionofpeace”. Is that still a thing?
Again, simply uttering the word “CNN” does not magically transform your statements into a coherent argument. I note that even you have selectively quoted Flynn as sentence fragments - now who’s “redacting” things? (Also: “Judeo-Christian” continues to not be a “church” or “religion”.)
But why quibble? Here’s the statement in full:
(Bolding mine)
If he’d just been talking about an ecumenical approach this might have been a perfectly reasonable statement about Christian unity, but he explicitly places it in the context of America past, present and political. When he says “we have to take [sic] not just about religion” and immediately segues into a discussion about the country, how else should we take it, particularly when Dominionism is an increasingly strong strain in American right-wing politics? What message do you think he’s intending to convey, and why do you think that?
Ultimately, of course, this is an irrelevance - Flynn is a corrupt has-been struggling to remain relevant. His previous hits include support for the “Pizzagate” conspiracy and he was a convicted felon who worked for foreign powers and lied to the FBI about it before his crony Donald pardoned him. Honestly, we shouldn’t have to care any more about what Flynn says than what Trump says.
Why do you care so much about what a corrupt has-been says?
You keep talking about this “redacted” quote, but here’s the thing: I can’t find anywhere in this thread, or the linked CNN article, that features this allegedly redacted quote. The only time the article mentions the phrase “Judeo-Christian,” it’s in reference to another Republican, Josh Mandel, agreeing with Flynn. They’re not quoting Flynn at all, they’re actually quoting Mandel from an editorial he wrote last April; the phrase “Judeo Christian values” in the CNN article is a hyperlink to Mandel’s article. Nobody in this thread had said anything about his use of the term “Judeo-Christian,” either, until you showed up here, correcting a mistake that literally nobody, in this thread or at CNN, appears to have made.
Am I wrong? Can you show me where this “redacted” quote you’re so worked up about appears, in either the original CNN article or in this thread?
Oh, I’m pretty open about those. I’m a queer liberal atheist who believes in freedom of religion, democratic government, and a multi-racial, multi-ethnic society.
Or to paraphrase Josh Mandel, everything Republicans hate.
Aren’t there large swathes of non-Catholic Christians who don’t consider themselves Protestants (I think maybe the Baptists actually fall into that sub-set)?
I believe the Geneva Convention forbids this.
No, Baptists are absolutely Protestant.
Coptics, Russian Orthodox, and Greek Orthodox, among others, just off the top of my head…
I’d like to weigh in as a Jew (I wear a yarmulke. I thank the Lord when things are good and turn to Him for strength when things are bad. I keep covenant with the G-d of Abraham. He keeps covenant with me). Speaking of Abrahamic faiths makes sense. Judaism, Christianity and Islam all cite Abraham as their first member. Speaking of JudeoChristian things makes no sense. It is a polite fiction.
I am aware that many American Christians are diehard supporters of Israel. This is not because they love or care about Jews. This is because in their eschatological view, Israel must exist and at least a majority of Jews must gather there before the Second Coming can happen.