Trump is pretty much the Platonic Ideal of awfulness. From a self interest and moral point of view supporting Harris is the right choice for nearly everyone; not because she’s especially good, but because Trump is such a parody of bad.
This is a time for damage control over all.
Trumpists are like that. There’s no point in trying to pander to crazy people who won’t listen to you.
Again, I’m telling you that a lot of Palestinians do not see it that way. Many see it as both sides being equally bad for Palestinians. Many see it as either vote is a vote for genocide and they simply can’t bring themselves to pull the lever for Harris…
That may be how they see it.
They are wrong.
Harris won’t be great for them but Trump will be very much worse. He’s talked about this. We don’t have to guess.
And they’re wrong, voting for Trump is voting for greater force to be used against the Palestinians, as well as a strong likelihood of those voters being deported, imprisoned or killed.
I don’t disagree with what you say here but it doesn’t matter because large numbers of Arab Americans disagree. If they mean what they say there are large numbers of them who are not willing to continue voting for the lesser of two evils. The fact you or I disagree and think this is wrongheaded doesn’t enter into the equation.
Cool. There are much, much larger numbers of Americans who think that a vote for Harris is a vote for open borders and Haitians eating our cats and dogs. Those people are also wrong, and also likely to have a much larger impact on the election, one way or the other.
Don’t you see how incredibly arrogant that world view is? They are not wrong, they are experiencing a different reality than you.
The Palestinians are being slaughtered whole sale right now, and Harris is the VP. In the West Bank, it’s open season on Palestinians and Harris is the VP.
For a lot of Palestians, it can’t be worse for them under Trump because they’ve already been killed under Biden.
Totally correct. The problem is there are 10’s of thousands of Arab/Muslim voters in Michigan.
While Biden won the state by 155,000 votes in 2016 Clinton lost the state by 10,000 votes.
The polls show the state as being even. If that is accurate it likely means it won’t take many voters who went to Biden to sit it out, vote for Stein, or, god forbid, vote for Trump.
This could be why Harris loses the state and thus the election.
Whatever brakes exist on Israel is from the US. Trump would release all the brakes.
The VP has NO control over what is happening as a matter of policy. Maybe the VP can get a sit-down with the president and have a chat and hope they can change the president’s mind but that’s about the best a VP can hope for. Except for Cheney I doubt any had any effect on policy.
Do you apply the same logic to antivaxxers who thought Fauci was trying to sterilize or mind control us with his shot? People who scream about thousands of convicted murderer immigrants crossing the border? They’re not wrong, just living in a different reality than you? It’s INCREDIBLY ARROGANT of you to tell them that the vaccine is safe and effective or that there aren’t hundreds of thousands of Columbians being released from prison into America?
Immigrants are streaming over the border, and Harris is VP. Children are being molested in the basements of pizza parlours, and Harris is VP.
Don’t hash my reality’s vibe, maaaaan.
I guess the middle ground between my reality and Q-Anon’s is that only half as many children are tortured for their adenochrome as they think. The truth is always somewhere in the middle.
Q-Anon BS, lies about open borders and other non-reality based nonsense are not the same as fact based information about the attitudes of Arab Americans in MI or the rest of the country.
These are people who are experiencing what is happening in Gaza and Lebanon differently than the rest of us.
Someone said upthread that we won’t be able to determine which votes had what effect. I would disagree in that if you get a heavy Stein vote in Dearborn, yeah, you can determine.
For many Palestinians, they see the US as allies with Israel in what they see as a genocide. They see this administration as complicit. This one. The Biden/Harris administration.
To dismiss them as just being wrong is to completely ignore what they are experiencing now.
I literally have no idea what this is supposed to mean.
I think it is a suggestion that concerns about how Arab Americans may vote are just as imaginary as Q-Anon conspiracy theories.
Of course I may have missed something.
I didn’t say if they would, or would not vote. I was trying to bring a perspective of how many Palestinians view America to the discussion and to point out it is not based in a belief that America is inherently a force of good, regardless of whether the government is headed by a Republican, or a Democrat.
I get that and basically agree with you.
Thanks, the Qanon talk threw me.
That was brought up by Ludovic. I was pointing out how it isn’t the same as what you were pointing out.
Sorry if it wasn’t clear.