Thanks, LoverBoy. At least someone realizes that I’m not trying to sound arrogant, either.
Exactly. I have enough for my car payment, my insurance, various “fun activities,” and savings for college.
Working in the year, specific trim edition, and horsepower of your vehicle and you’re not trying to sound arrogant? Whatever, just for the hell of it I’ll grant that you weren’t trying to sound arrogant. That doesn’t change the fact that you are annoying, grating, immature and tactless.
If I see you coming up behind my 1990 Plymouth Grand Voyager SE with 140 HP I’m going to make sure to slow down.
I would guess that the reason that your car insurance is so low is that you probably have the minimum legal requirement coverage. That is the only way is could possibly be that low. If that is the case, and I were driving an '02 Camero close enough to other cars to see through the window, I would definately talk to my agent about uping my coverage.
It was asked what kind of car I drove, I answered. Someone made an arrogant comment about horsepower relating to my IQ, so I suggested the horsepower.
Perhaps. I know that my car insurance will cover myself or any other driver with insurance who drives my car, and that I am covered for driving other vehicles as well.
So then why don’t you stop skirting the fucking question and answer just how you can be driving 200+ feet behind the person in front of you, per the three second rule that you said you follow and STILL not be able to see ahead of them without looking through their fucking windows???
I’m not skirting the question, I just don’t know how you want me to answer it. I don’t have x-ray vision, nor am I willing to rubberneck. I don’t have physics formulas for you, nor do I have diagrams.
No problem then. If the person in front of you is driving at 45 miles per hour, then they would be 211.2 feet in front of you. Number of feet in a mile divided by 45 miles per hour(1 mile in 75 seconds) equals 70.4 multiplied by three seconds equals 211.2 feet.
If you say they were really doing 60 then they would be 264 feet in front of you. It has nothing to do with x-ray vision. If you can’t see beyond something more than 200 feet in front of you then you need to be off the damn road.
Somebody please check me on the previous…I’m tired as hell and may have fucked it up along the way…thanks.
So is this your own policy or are you a rider on your parent’s policy? Are you paying the difference for the rider?
I have Allstate also, and IIRC, you only get that Good-Student discount if you are a rider.
Had any tickets yet? Just wait. At your age, one moving violation and :POOF: good-bye cheap insurance.
Regarding your earlier comment about age vs. driving experience:
Yes, the length of time one has been driving does matter. I’ve been driving for 21 years. I’d be willing to bet I’m a better driver than someone who just got their license. Twenty-plus years of driving counts for something.
JFTR, I have a commercial license. I can drive a 26-ton fire engine. Can you?
And don’t think we don’t have our eye on you, young man.
And on an affiliated note:
GAH!!! Nothing drives me crazier than this! Just because your post goes into the BBQ Pit does not give license to be rude, or obscene, or disrespectful, or obnoxious, or crude!
- Jonathan “Sancho, my armor!” Chance
Okay, there’s this weird mental quirk I have in which I’m not going to take driving, car-choice, OR child-rearing advice from a 17-YEAR-OLD BOY.
And if anyone else does, you have my pity - for being so VERY easily led - and my scorn, for reasons which should be obvious.
Personally, I want all of the 17-year-old “look-at-my-huge-penis” sportscar-driving red-light-ignoring “no-cop-no-stop(ing)” mall-hanging “I know everything because I’m not 20 yet so senility hasn’t set in” assholes off the road because with their invincibility and perfection they endanger me and my husband and the 20-year-old and the three kids I have in my minivan when we - heaven forbid - wanna leave the house as a group to, say, visit their GRANDMOTHER.
Then again…I’m secure enough that I don’t feel the need to defend myself against this jerkoff. I just wanted to get a few really good run-on sentences in one thread if at all humanly possible which is why I’m doing it again in this paragraph - and you can kiss my ass if you don’t like it.
I don’t think this guy’s for real. And if he is, I can’t believe anyone’s actually responding as though he’d listen to a damned thing you say. According to him he’s 17 and drives a 2002 Camaro…jesus, what else do you need to know?
You know, I apologize. I really shouldn’t lump all 17-year-old Camaro drivers together.
Let me rephrase this:
He’s 17 and drives a 2002 Camaro and doesn’t have to pay any of his own bills because he lives with his parents, but thinks anyone gives a rat’s ass about his opinion of others’ vehicular and lifestyle choices. What ELSE do you need to know?
On a side note: One of these days he’ll have forgotten all about the boards, us, this thread…he’ll have his blonde debutante wife and their 1.7 genetically engineered kids, whom he will, of course, raise to be perfectly respectful of others at all times from birth.
Then one day in his prototype 2011 Daihatsu Screem-tastic XL-5000 car ergonomically engineered for his family’s specific heights, weights and entertainment choices, and as he’s hurtling down the computer-controlled HOV lane toward Disney-AOL-Warner-Microsoft-World for a vacation, his never-strained-by-unpleasant-sounds-from-his-children eardrums will implode as one of his little balls of well-coiffed perfection, from out of nowhere, shrilly screams:
“DADDY!!! SHE’S COPYING ME AGAIN!!!”
Just as info, Civil Defense, I’m e-mailing the mods to see if your IP matches that of the previously mentioned fatherjohn. I sincerely hope it doesn’t, but he had some of the same misguided ideas regarding vehicular travel that you seem to espouse, so I thought it would be good to check.
Civil,
I would expect nothing less from a driver of a Camaro. At the risk of generalizing (I will, since you started the stereotyping), most Camaro drivers I’ve seen are self-absorbed, juvenile speed freaks who use their phallic- shaped vehicle as some sort of extension of their masculinity. Doesn’t sound like my prejudices will be proven wrong with this thread.
You think minivans are more vehicle than most owners need. Using your logic, why the fuck are you driving a 325hp vehicle on the street, anyway? You need about 100hp to motivate the average vehicle adequately.
I know, it’s unlikely, but it’s not out of the realm of possibliltiy.
I belive that Civil Defense could have exactly what he says he has. However, certain things need to be taken into account. At 17 he either paid cash or got his parents to cosign for a loan. Although he’s been driving for 2+ years? Where do you live anyway??
I have a friend who started working for the company I work for at the age of 16 (or maybe even 15). He moved out at 18 and is paying cash for college. He is a very smart guy. It’s not out of the realm of possibility that he would have decided to write and sell software instead of working at a company.
However, it does look like he has the minimum amount of legal coverage required based on his monthly payment. I had a 1997 Cavlier when I was 22 and I paid that much a month. Granted, my coverage levels are nothing to sneeze at. I’m pretty sure I could total a couple 18 wheelers and still have coverage left over.
On topic though, there’s no way around it. He’s following too close. If he can’t see around the minivan, regarless of the 3 second rule, he needs to back up or pass it.
OK then, I’ll try to use tiny words. Right now I’m sitting about 80 feet from the road in front of my house (I know that because our setback is exactly 75 feet. Let’s triple that to 240 feet, the following distance you claim. I roughly estimate (sorry! guess) that a minivan at that distance would take up the same amount of space in your field of view as a block of four postage stamps (these are those little colored stickers you put on the envelope when you mail your car payment) stuck to your windshield.
I beg you to go ahead and deny that this is the case for you. We’d love to see you admit that you’re lying. Because if you can’t see any more than that 2-inch-square area, you are LEGALLY BLIND and have no business behind the wheel of a moving vehicle.
I repeat: U.S. roads and highways are not the Autobahn. You cannot go whatever speed you want and you will have to allow other people to use the road too. And sometimes (GASP!) someone will be ahead of you and you will have to stay behind them. Deal with it and get over yourself, Junior.
No. Simply. Not a chance in hell. $1320 per annum? Uh-huh. Those of you who know me, know that I’m an insurance actuary. And I’m staking my reputation on this. He’s lying - or at least not telling the whole truth. There is no way a 17 year old can get his own insurance on a 325hp sports car for that money. Frankly, it would be all but impossible to find an insurance company willing to even willing to consider insuring him at all. Of those that would, I would expect a $10K+ per annum quote. Especially in America, the most litigous society in the world.
The worry is not the property damage. The worry is that he will cause some poor sap to spend the rest of their life needing palliative care.
He’s leading you all up the garden path.
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I’m just wondering what my alternative is? I hate minivans. I really do. But I drive one. It was pretty hard to find something that would carry my family of 6 in my price range. From what I’ve gathered, the general idea of the OP is that no one should have to drive a minivan. So please tell me, what kind of vehicle will carry at least 6 people and cost not more than $2000.
Oh, and please don’t suggest that we all just stay at home. That may work for a few days or even a few weeks, but suggesting that we all stay at home and never leave in more than a group of three or four really won’t work indefinitely.
Correcting myself . . .
I just realized that the field of view blocked by the minivan would actually be smaller than my original guess. So my argument stands, stronger than I thought.
Carry on.
Yes, at 50 my father is a juvenile speed freak. I guess theres no accounting for personal preferences when you pick a car to drive. I am very offended by that. I didn’t get a Z28 because my wife didn’t like it. I ended up with a truck because it was practical for me at the time. If I didn’t have a house which I am in the process of fixing up and building various outdoor buildings, I would have a Mustang GT. I guess since I have a truck I don’t drive a vehicle that is an extension of my masculinity? How about those guys that drive a Ford F350 4WD off road package with a V8 when a F150 2WD V6 truck will do them just fine? Maybe we could just expand the generalization to include people that buy a Lexus when a Saturn will do? Even then, they aren’t allowed to get an upgraded engine, or else they are driving a phallic symbol. Yea… let’s just use that definition. Anyone who buys anything other than the minimum vehicle they can get by on is “self-absorbed, juvenile speed freaks who use their phallic- shaped vehicle as some sort of extension of their masculinity”. It should be fun to find your car in a lot full of Cavaliers, Saturns, and Station Wagons. I guess people better go into contruction if they want to be able to have a truck in the parking lot.
That is a very good point. However I do think your 100hp figure is a little low for most vehicles. 150 sounds about right. I can tell you that car does just fine with 160 (from the original 3.4 V6)