Huh, if that checks out that would be evidence of a tactic seen in Latin America, military and police going around in disguise setting unrest to incite others and demonize protesters.
According to this timeline,that appears to be incorrect. The four cops most closely involved were fired sometime Tuesday afternoon, apparently before any significant rioting had taken place. I grant that the firing may have been influenced by fear of future rioting.
I just see a blank Facebook page; possibly because I’m not signed into Facebook.
One of the reasons I don’t have a Facebook account is that they’re so vehemently insistent that everyone must have one. Even when the pages are made public, they’re often effectively unviewable unless one signs in; most of the page gets covered by a huge box telling you to sign in or sign up, which can be gotten at best to cover half the page instead of all of it.
– Skywatcher’s link gets me a long post that doesn’t seem to be about the issue in this thread, or to be the one that Czarcasm’s quoting.
Missed this earlier, but there’s a reason that parts of Watts and Newark never came back, and that’s because despite the progress of the civil rights movement, white residents and white-owned businesses made a conscious decision to take their ball and go home. They decided literally to create their own brand new cities than to be required to play by a brand new set of rules that mandated a more equitable community.
That’s an example of how systemic and institutionalized racism works, and police departments all over the country have been used to keep black people and black communities in their place. It’s not just police departments, but the entire criminal justice apparatus. The good thing is that in some cities now, you have black DAs, black judges, and black jurors. And you have enough black voters that white mayors and council members can’t just ignore their complaints.
Still, the political and legal power that people of color have is limited and diffused. And disproportionately, whites still maintain the very crucial element of economic power. It’s this economic power that is a necessary component in order to achieve truly equal status in this society. This parity depends a lot on the acquisition of capital on one hand, but on the other hand, it is difficult to access the means of acquiring such capital because of factors like race.
I’d be happier if the fucking police apologized.
Riots commence in Mississippi in 3… 2… 1…
Personally - no I don’t think they woke up that morning with the intention of murdering George Floyd. So not pre-meditated murder. But they did murder him. The kneeler-on-the-neck has been charged with 3rd degree murder. I would have called for second degree myself. It’s murder even if it wasn’t planned in advance.
“I’m sorry, I didn’t mean to” does not bring the dead back to life. A man was killed by a police officer. Police do not have the authority to execute people, and if they do so it is a criminal act. Criminals belong behind bars.
The baffling thing is why it took four fucking days for this to happen.
Yes, it’s really murder.
Murder doesn’t have to be planned in advance to be murder.
I’m sorry you’re butthurt by the “m-word” - wait, no I’m not. The police committed murder and should be tried for same. If there is justice convicted, but justice doesn’t always happen in the real world. That’s why we have riots.
Drunk drivers who kill someone didn’t set out to kill anybody. They just wanted to get home from the bar. But they can still get charged with murder.
Pardon me Sir, but let me please respectfully disagree with you. That protest was Peaceful… until the agitator-cop broke the Auto Zone windows baton-style.
The protesters… the real ones, the honest ones… were just an annoyance. It wasn’t until a Cop foolishly tried to fuck them over and tag them as violent terrorists that things changed.
“Hey, Minneapolis Cops! Thanks for fucking yourselves up the ass!
Where will you go next? Disney World…?”
Wow. I go camping for a couple of days to escape Covid isolation and the whole world goes (even more) to shit…
For those posters who are complaining about the rioters and that they need to protest peacefully, can you remind me how many states tried to pass laws that protected people who ran over peaceful protesters during the height of the Black Lives Matter movement? I thought it was at least 20 states, but I could be wrong.
It was also really interesting that the property damage in Minneapolis was started somebody that looked like a cop (white, gas mask, military boots). Guy appears out of nowhere, breaks a couple of windows, and then runs away just before the cops start shooting rubber bullets; that’s not suspicious at all. Wow.
While I think rioting and looting is wrong in almost every scenario I can think of, I can only imagine how frustrating it must be to protest the treatment of African Americans at the hands of police only to dismissed every single time. It does not matter how respectfully the protests are undertaken, there is no valid venue for African Americans to protest unless it is completely unseen by a large percentage of white America. I remember trying to talk about Kapernick with one of my neighbors and he thought the guy should be fired and blacklisted for protesting at work; “if he wants to protest, he should do it on his own time.” I asked about the BLM protesters, and he was all for running them over; “if they want to protest, they should do it somewhere it doesn’t interfere with anybodies life.” I just could not get him to see that what he wanted them to do would not be an effective form of protest. He was all for the yahoos invading the Michigan capital building with guns though; he thought that was a valid form of protest. This partisanship is going to get us all killed…
I do want to share with the right wingers on this board that because of them I am a full supporter of gun rights. All guns. For the same reasons they are supporters too, Americans need to be able to protect themselves from the government. Not some scary feds in black helicopters forcing me to wear a mask; I think people need to be armed to protect themselves from the police. I have felt this way since the Ferguson Commission released it’s report. YMMV and all that.
I have a Facebook account and I’m posting this from my home computer. All I get from Jim Wright >Stonekettle Station is a bunch of unhelpful search results.
If I’m wrong, I’m so very happy to give every single one of you sons-a-bitches an ice cold beer. But If I’m right? Might be time for you to watch the worst rated Dirty Harry movie of all time…
Didn’t we have another guy here who referred to pig murders as “poor choices”? I think he was banned.
I’ll be hornswoggled. october forgot which account he was logged into.
I’m just gonna leave this right here.
Sorry. I didn’t want to cp the entire thing but here it is.
Written by Jim Wright who also has Stonekettle Station
This interview has some interesting angles on the subject of violent protest and non-violent protest. Prof. Wasow was incidentally the student body president of my high school.
I’m not sure if patriots ever attacked the property of people just for the heck of it, but if they did, that wasn’t right, either. I’m not even sure it was right for them to dispossess people that definitely were Loyalists, which is not as bad as the destruction that people are objecting to in Minneapolis. Attacking troops, on the other hand, is war, which is orthogonal to what we are discussing, having its worse and better parts depending on how much it is necessary for true self-defense.
Looting TVs and Jordan’s is really sticking it to The Man.