Then be quiet.
I don’t take orders from you. Grow up.
I thought you said my post didn’t deserve a response, this is your second such response.
Back to the OP, the Dope made a lot of noise about tackling misogyny, but it just doesn’t have it in it, it’s run by old men for old men; they don’t recognize sexism and that’s not going to change. It’s why this place is dying. In a thread about someone living in the same neighborhood as a porn star, you have a mod making the same dumb jokes as all the other old men, it doesn’t occur to them to give a shit.
No.
Back in post #73, I said:
Bone said in post #120 this wasn’t worthy of a response because I wasn’t making an argument.
And specifically said the first paragraph in my post reminded him of the treatment of not women posters, but rather conservative posters on this board.
I dropped out of this thread shortly after that because why bother if that’s how the mods are reacting to this?
I love this place because there are a lot of really intelligent and decent people here, and I find the message board format more conducive to good discussions than Twitter or blog comments or whatnot. But in response to madmonk28’s comment that “The Dope is a safe space for old men,” I’m having a hard time coming up with any reason to disagree.
And this is not how it should be. I don’t think the Dope needs to be a “safe space” for women, but it should certainly feel more or less as safe to them as it does to me and other male posters. I would hope it would be the policy of this board that that should be the case, and that the board would actively work to make it so.
In the Pit thread, Shodan linked to a pitting of me-----because I called out slut shaming of an 11-year-old rape victim as,. you guessed it, slut shaming. No, she does not have a nineteen-year-old “boyfriend.” No, she did not “put herself in that situation.” No one decent cares about her outfit. What was remarkable about that thread was how vicious the victim blaming was, how determined the victim blamers were that they were not victim blaming—mostly because they didn’t say, “I blame the victim,”; how *deliberately * ignorant the victim blamers were about actual rape, and how little has changed in the intervening eight years.
Rape myths are not a difference of opinion. They are hate speech, plain and simple. Plus, the use of words like “hysterical” belie a mindset and a vicious stereotype about women, closely linked to the “women always lie about rape” that shows up so often on the Dope. How come that ignorance apparently isn’t included in the “fighting ignorance” thing?
There’s now a substantial body of remarkably consistent research on rape, and rape myths, so what is one to make of people who apparently flinch away from it the way vampires do from garlic?
Rape is an extremely interesting topic, because it reveals what people really think about women, deep down. It’s a microcosm of where women really are in society.
The fact is, that that Pit thread reveals that too many Dopers have only two speeds for women in a rape case: she’s an evil liar, or here’s a good saintly intellectually-superior woman who says she’s an evil liar. Meanwhile, guys who are proven lawyers get so much benefit of the doubt that it makes you feel crazy to watch.
And that’s after eight years.
With Bone’s departure, there might be an opportunity for change.
Thank you for providing your thoughts.
I’d like to highlight that the post in question that started this thread was not in the Pit. I still hold that it was clearly misogynistic in that it asserted dishonesty and malicious intent in the accuser (Ford), in addition to attempting to place blame on her for death threats. I hope the remaining moderators are still discussing this, since this issue is clearly driving away good contributors from the board.
I don’t believe the post in question “asserted dishonesty and malicious intent”. I don’t think it was a comment either way on her dishonesty nor intent. Here, so everyone can read it again:
Which part of that do you think “asserted dishonesty”? Please be specific.
Which part was a commentary on her “intent”, malicious or otherwise? Again, please be specific.
…or not…
“I’M JUST CURIOUS IF YOU HAVE ANY SOURCES TO BACK UP YOUR OPINION ?”
The part where you attribute different motivations to her than those she stated at the time.
Same.
Also the “exposed Justice Kavanaugh’s family to death threats” part. A woman is sexually assaulted, says “that guy tried to rape me” and you twist it around into “she exposed his family to death threats” as if that had been, if not actively her intent, something she should have foreseen but proceeded anyway, and damn the consequences to Kavanaugh.
My post didn’t attribute any motivations to her. It was silent on her intent, motivations, and whether her claims were true or false.
:dubious:
Ah, then “because they thought it might help their side in a political squabble” is silent on intent.
Well, that’s a new one to me.
Asserting a motive (especially a malicious motive, as worded) other than “to tell her story”, “speak truth to power”, or similar, is directly implying dishonesty.
No it wasn’t. What you are stating right now is not true. You attributed a political motivation, specifically to help Democrats, which contradicts her claimed motivation of wanting to prevent the nomination of a man she insists assaulted her sexually (which is not a partisan motivation).
Your own words are on this board for everyone to read. You can’t keep pretending you didn’t say what you said.
Weird, isn’t it? I could understand it somewhat in the early days of this board, which were also the early days of the Web: people were still used to thinking in terms of verbal conversations, where you couldn’t reach back and pull up what someone had said twenty minutes earlier in the debate. So it sometimes caught people off guard when you’d say, “no, that’s not what you were saying earlier in this thread,” and quote their post.
But in 2019?? Very weird.
“…in 2019?? Yup” Fixed that for ya.
I mean, it’s 2019 and TPTB still haven’t cottoned on to the concept of a troll, so…
This is going to sound really simplistic and I don’t mean for it to. I hope it is a signpost for betterment.
Women hold up half the sky.
And we should act accordingly.
I cannot redress what has gone before. But we can strive to do better going forward.
Jenny
your humble TubaDiva
Administrator
Starting now?