On Election Day, the voters of Mississippi voted to retire a 126 year old flag which featured the Confederate battle ensign and replace it with a new design featuring a magnolia blossom.
The previous flag was actually retired in June. Tuesday’s vote was a formality in order to require the state legislature to officially adopt the new one.
Good for MS. I was glad when GA retired the disgusting 1958 battle flag. That fight was a real bruiser.
Your avatar seems very appropriate to this thread.
Also good for Miss, to finally move on.
No, it didn’t. It just moved to a different form of flag-based bigotry. Instead of “fuck everyone who isn’t white”, their flag is “fuck everyone who isn’t Christian.”
I missed something then, are you bitching about the In God we Trust? Is that Christian only?
I’m agnostic and I pretty much ignore that empty phrase, last I checked its on most of our money too.
Damn right I am. And damn right it is.
OK, still a decent increment forward from a Pro-Slavery flag to something no worse than the USA’s money.
OK, so Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, etc. etc. don’t have god(s)??
It shouldn’t endorse ANY beliefs re: religion. Would you be ok with “We Trust In No Gods” ?
Yes, I would be. I was only disputing the statement that “In God We Trust” could only be applicable to Christians.
Understood.
The motto is a little awkward unless you are a monotheist. Atheists and polytheists need not apply.
But that motto is fine for Jews and Muslims, as well as Christians.
I think it’s an improvement.
“We Trust In No Gods” would also be totally unacceptable as a government-endorsed motto for a free country. “E Pluribus Unum” is a perfectly good motto for a federal republic (and for a “melting pot” nation composed of immigrants from across the world). Neither “In God We Trust” nor "We Trust In No Gods” is acceptable, and both for the same reason: They both are, or would be, lies. Not ALL Americans trust in God (or any sort of allegedly divine entity). Not even all Mississippians trust in God. And, of course, not all Americans “trust in no Gods” either.
Also, vexillologically-speaking, mottoes have no place on flags anyway. The flag without the motto–without any motto–would be a very nice flag.
Do you really think that the people that made that flag are thinking about Vishnu, Allah, Zoraster, and Amaterasu?
You know that “Allah” is just Arabic for “God”, right?
Vishnu? Not so much.
Do you really think that the people that made that flag believe that?
Mississippi, in a bipartisan way, said “all right, OK, we’ll get rid of the emblem of treason, slavery and white supremacism”. And may I say they did so much, much better than did Georgia. So credit to them.
As to the later objection: Meh. I mean, look at the picture of the flag. Consider how you’d see the flag when flying from a pole in a yard or marching past you in a parade. That slogan will be virtually illegible unless you’re right up next and looking for it. I know, I know, just knowing it’s there … and even just from the neutral point of view of vexillology it’s not a Best Practice. But if that was what was needed to get the law passed, so be it.
“All Others Pay Cash”?
I like the Magnolia. So much better than the “cram everything onto the flag” route Wisconsin went.
Really? Because the Followers of the Prophet and the Jewish faith have the same G-d.