Are you basing the “corked bats don’t work”, strictly on Mythbusters or some other reports? AS much as I love MythBusters, they get a plenty wrong and don’t really use the scientific method in their testing.
Jim
I’ve never seen Mythbusters.
http://www.kettering.edu/~drussell/bats-new/corkedbat.html
http://www.sportsphds.com/editorials/readarticle.php?articleID=80
http://www.bostonbaseball.com/whitesox/baseball_extras/physics.html
On the other hand:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2003/06/05/SP279885.DTL
Тhis is so depressing. I’m a native San Franciscan and I’ve been a Giants fan all my life. I feel torn about rooting for a team whose marquee player is so obviously cheating, but it’s not like I could just take up with some other team at this point.
Right now I’m glad it’s so hard for me to keep up with baseball (I’d never even heard of the Mitchell Report until a friend mentioned it in his livejournal yesterday), because I feel like if I don’t pay attention, maybe I won’t get completely disillusioned…and one day I’ll be able to enjoy it just as much as I always have. At the moment, I’m just fucking sick of the MLB.
If there is a silver lining to all of this, it’s that you can feel a heck of a lot better of the new, young talent that’s coming up through the MLB ranks. Sure, there’s new light on the discussion of all-time greats like Clemens & Bonds, but it’s somewhat gratifying to know that as a result, we now have a much cleaner, purer sport going forward.
So Kyla, when you’re done feeling sick about baseball, come on back. The worst of it is behind us and if nothing else, Im starting to feel good about that.
This came up the other day, but if you are feeling really sad or bad about the game, rent either “League of their Own”, “Fields of Dream” or Ken Burn’s “Baseball”. One of these should help you feel the love of the “Only Real Game” again.
Jim
Bull-shit. Specially Bonds.
What if we’re going to get a worse product because all the drugs are out of baseball?
Also, besides skin color, what’s the difference between Clemens and Bonds?
Well, why would either of those guys lie to us? I’m sure they’ll get into the Hall of Fame on their first ballots now the Authors of “Game of Shadows” will apologize to Barry.
I’m glad to hear that Mitchell must have followed a bunch of false evidence and the Clemens & Bonds legacy remains unsullyed.
I don’t think it’d be a worse product but it’d be a different product. IMHO, a return to small-ball would improve the game.
There isn’t one.
Bonds has been a bigger dick to the press and the fans, but that is it now. They are respectively the best Pitcher & Hitter of their Generation and both are now known cheats and illegal drug users.
Jim
Vince Lascheid. It would break my heart if he has been playing juiced all this time.
Sauced, perhaps, but probably not juiced. 
hehe. Knowing Vince, sauced is a definite.
I’m a bit late to this, as the report has already been released, but now that I think about it, I would have been most broken-hearted if Gil Meche was revealed to have been a user. I was so happy that for once the Royals bet and spent right on a pitcher, it would have upset me greatly if he turned out to have been cheating.
It was a mildly rhetorical question, but the point is that besides the skin color, there isn’t a difference between the two.
Kid_A: what if people that came into the love of baseball loved the steroid days and not the smallball style? What if they despise it? I hope it’ll bring people into the game, but I don’t see it happening.
Because their names are not on the list, you can not assume they are clean. Conte and 2 trainers are the sources. I am sure we could all create a much longer list if we put our steroided brains into it. Some got away with it for now.
I know, but you are glossing over the fact that Bonds is still the bigger Ass and that is saying something and Rocket has always been an ass himself.
I still don’t think it is a black vs. white issue for the majority of baseball fans. I think it comes down to Aaron is almost universally respected and considered a great guy and Bonds, well Bonds, not so much.
Jim
See, I don’t think I’m glossing over any point at all. I’m not really even arguing the level of each’s dickishness. Like you said, one was the best hitter of his generation, the ther was the best pitcher of his generation. They’re both on the juice and they’re both assholes. At some time, the level of assholeish tendencies that someone has plateaus and they’re just “as asshole”. Both Bonds and Clemens are assholes. Plain and simple.
I’m not trying to make it a black/white issue either. I’m just pointing out that they’re cut from the same cloth.
Fortunately, Aaron was created from a different, classier textile.
Would fewer home runs really reduce the quality of the product? I doubt the number of home runs would even really drop all that much; there have been a lot of things driving up home run totals, not just steroids. There’d be no perceptible difference in the quality of play.
I don’t think that it’d diminish the product. I’d like to see more smallball and hit-and-runs and emphasis put back on the steal (although I doubt the last one will happen).
Although, if MLB ends up “clean” and the power numbers don’t go down, can we safely say that steroids have no impact on the game of baseball itself?