Squidwife—You mean you actually know hetereosexual Mormons who “became gay” after roving gay missionaries knocked at their door, handed them leaflets and showed them newswreels?
Wow . . . I guess the Gay Agenda is farther along than I’d thought!
I’m quite certain Pepper will return later to defend herself. Right now she is extremely busy with some school events that came up quickly, and is only getting spotty time to get on the board.
She said what she said, and you have responded in kind to her. You make good points, and I’m sure she can respond to them given time to spend composing them. Please allow her to return when she has time to respond in a comprehensive manner, without engaging in any gratuitous dogpiling on her. I would also submit that her past postings on this issue in other Mormon-topic’d threads would probably serve as a response, but then, I’m not in this debate.
Pepperlandgirl, I have hurt your feelings in the past on this issue. I thought it was originally because I may have been wrong about your religion. It seems I wasn’t wrong. If what you say would make you seem like a homophobic bigot, then perhaps you are. That is not necessarily the worst part. The worst part is that you continue to follow a path in the most brainwashed way possible. Look, very bad things happen in my religion. Look, because of this homophobic spew gay people are murdered brutally. Look, I can turn my head and not stand up for what I know deep down is right. I don’t know what is worse, people who do hurtful things because they don’t know any better or the people who allow them to continue hurting others because a) they don’t care b) they agree with them but are too spineless to put it in their own actions c) Hi Opal or d) they are brainwashed into thinking that though it hurts and possibly kills other people that it is still right. So PLG, which one of these do you think fits you best now? I would go with both B and D from your most recent postings. If you can’t reconcile these differences between yourself, your actions, and what you say you believe then you are indeed the homophobic bigot that your unspoken words do indeed make you.
Squidwife, bend over, find a good dildo and don’t ever let anyone’s sperm ever touch your human caviar. We don’t want people like you reproducing simply to instill your hillbilly offspring with beliefs that are solely designed to hurt.
Squidwife said, “I do not believe in same-sex relationships.”
Wow, that is interesting, I don’t believe in swordfish either. While we are at it, I don’t believe in you nor do I believe there are bigots in the world.
Then Squidwife said, “The LDS church will never endorse gay marraige because there is a fundamental disagreement between the doctrine of the church and that lifestyle. Likewise, they will never endorse women holding the priesthood for the same reason.”
I could care less if the Mormon church endorses gay marriage but to see that there is a fundamental disagreement between gays and women and the doctrine of the church I wonder why the women stay? So, how do you like being viewed as sub-human in your worthless church? You know your views will never matter to anyone since you are simply a worthless woman. I bet you even do the subservient thing much like a slave. Do you go along with all the other Stepford wives and get up from the table all at one time to go fix your man his vittles mindlessly as the other non-important women in your church? I thought so. I suppose since you are such a foul spewer of hate propoganda that it is good that you are not allowed a voice within the your church. You and PLG can then become friends. She seems to be as brainwashed as you. We can always send in the Deprogrammers to rescue you and PLG but since you don’t really matter and neither does she then you may as well find Dr. Kevorkian and do the final solution.
I have had friends lose jobs, friends die (suicide and gay-bashing), families mourn, and other general unpleasantries (gay-bashing anyone)happen first hand because of people like you. Yes, you. You can sit back and not do anything accepting the status quo or you can actively fight for what you believe in and try to change these type of injustices. If you sit back and watch someone get beaten when you could have at least done something as simple as phoning the police than not only are you morally wrong, you are spiritually wrong as well. If your church condones any type of hatred like that (which Mormonism does) than not only is it wrong on an individual level, it expands to be wrong on the universal level. I don’t know why I bother telling this to either of you since you are both worthless in the eyes of your church. You are only good for cooking, cleaning, and birthing a male child. So go spread your putrescence twat lips with your hands, jump off a cliff, and go hang-gliding with your whistling pussy.
Sqrl
PS. PLG and Squidwife, the amount of ignorance in this thread increased a thousandfold when both of you decided to voice your idiotic opinion. Go and do whatever man you are with tells you to do and think. It seems that is all that you two are able to do anyway.
PPS. I hate both of you and have absolutely no respect for either of you and only will once you get a voice that is not dictated you by the establishment that views you as little more than a worthless slave you stupid cunts.
Sqrl, dear, here—calm down and have a nice cup of tea (China black!) and I will play some nice soothing music for you. Bach? Vivaldi?
PPS. Now that I have written all of that, this is to let you know that gays get that type of treatment from Mormons constantly. If you don’t believe me I am sure that any gay person here can vouch for me. Also, if you don’t know any excommunicated gay people go talk to them and then you can see how bad we are truly treated by your “people.”
I was hateful to prove a point which I thought was shown quite well. Does it anger you? Of course it did. Now imagine that gay people get this from all sides from the conservative right for simply being gay. It gets old and though it is not as hurtful as it used to be, it is still bad and still prevalent. In this case you guys prolong the problem by remaining silent.
HUGS!
Sqrl
Looks like we simulposted Eve. I like Vivaldi. 
We share the same birthday.
HUGS!
Sqrl
Whoa.
{ahem}
pepperlandgirl, please note I didn’t make any comments about the article except that it depresses me. I know the LDS ain’t gonna change, and I accept that, but that doesn’t mean I like it, and will continue to try to persuade people to see things differently. No Mormon-bashing intended, but, hey, it’s sad and depressing nonetheless (at least to me, and, obviously, Sqrl).
Oh, and Squidwife, since you mentioned that people who leave the church in order to “live the lifestyle” (another thread altogether) are free to make their own mistakes, may I add that you, too, are free to make your own mistakes - and that includes your religious choices as well, not to mention most of what Sqrl just said. At least PLG I have respect for; you haven’t given anyone much reason to respect you yet.
Esprix
Well, I’m not going to come to the Squidwife’s rescue. She’s perfectly capable of standing on her own. Believe me.
I do want to interject something I find interesting though. Squidwife is mormon. I’m not (although when I die…). Anyway, I read up a lot, pro and con, on the church. When the church first started out, the members were the favorite targets of just about everyone. Mormons were routinely beaten up, killed, and driven out of whatever community they were in (sound familiar?). Only by sticking to their beliefs and standing by each other and finally fleeing the U.S. (Utah, or Deseret then, was in Mexico) were they able to establish themselves and be free of persecution. When the Utah territory was established, it almost came to a full scale war. Bringham Young refused to accept the findings of the territorial judges appointed to the territory. After all that, it’s no wonder that the LDS are a little sensitive to comments like “hang all the Mormons” tongue in cheek or not.
But in the end the mormons came out ok. So, perhaps there is hope for you too SqrlCub. Although the LDS message may have been more appealing than a dick in the ass but what the hell.
While I have no problem with a religion maintaining its dogma (religion, after all, is not based on logic) I do strongly resent them trying to foist their dogma on me and mine by trying to have bills passed that codify their own particular insanity as law. (Yes, yes, Mormons arent’t the only ones. I know). This is where separation of church and state are supposed to come into play. But too many people decide that since it falls in line with their own brand of religious insanity, they’ll support it in spite of it being a religious issue. (And no, I am not saying all religious people are nut jobs. But every organization, religious or not, has their share.)
I despise Mormon bashing. I despise gay bashing. In fact, I despise anything bashing.
But there are two issues I look forward to seeing your responses to:
Squid Vicious, it would appear that you feel that any group which has been persecuted for being a minority is thereby licensed to persecute other minorities. I suspect very strongly you were not intending to imply that. But it’s there. Please verify, amend, or retract that implication as you actually feel.
Squidwife, you are the latest in a line of posters to have cavalierly thrown off the phrase “the homosexual lifestyle.” What in the name of sweet Jesus do you mean by that? The gays I am personally acquainted with offline attend church. That’s part of their lifestyle. Some of them drink coffee (against the Mormon strictures on beverages, I know). Oh, and they happen to love somebody of the same sex. And they give to the United Way. You wanna pick and choose what in your exalted opinion they ought to give up? Or maybe the whole thing. Anderson Homes is building houses with walk-in closets now – maybe they can take up residence there?
Define your term. And defend it. Or retract it.
Nobody has a problem with your following your beliefs. And that can include worshipping in a faith that judges and casts out people for the crime of admitting their feelings, when those feelings are not “normal” ones. Lots of us have a serious problem with your trying to enforce your beliefs on somebody else.
Esprix didn’t start the thread, or the last one on the same subject, to bash Mormons. He started it because Mormons were bashing gays.
Stop engaging in rectocephalic practices and make your points clearly.
So why did they make a “hang all…” comment themselves. Oh, and Eve, anyone who offers people cups of tea and Vivaldi will surely go to heaven. Got any biscuits?
But, darnit, Gary, I already have my dress picked out for hell! It’s red satin, which I think will reflect the flames well and yet stand out against the brimstone.
But here, dear, have a Pepperidge Farm Milano cookie. It’s the double-chocolate kind, of course.
Oh, yeah - that makes you sound intelligent. :rolleyes:
When squidwife refers to our “lifestyle” as a “mistake,” gee, I can’t imagine why anyone would take offense. :rolleyes:
Funny, lots of rolling eyes in this thread…
Esprix
Eve, darlin’, I’ve got a little surprise for you – and a bigger one for the 21st century Pharisees. 
" . . . the 21st century Pharisees."
—I was WONDERING what “20th Century Fox” would come up with for their new name!
Never before has so little been so misunderstood by so many.
The reactions to my “hang all the Mormons” comment was taken waaaay out of context by many people. Was it inflammatory? Yes, it was. Was it intended to start an anti-Mormon backlash? Not only no, but hell no.
We have now heard from a contingent of Mormons who feel that my comment was inappropriate, even though it was “tongue in cheek”. Yet, they also seem to feel that there is nothing wrong with the “hang all the faggots” comment, since homosexuality is against Mormon doctrine.
I seriously doubt that my comments will lead to any Mormon bashing, people here are too smart for that. However, gay bashing is a problem and anybody affiliated with a religious group should not be promoting hatred in any way. And moral, religious people should not be defending that hatred just because it’s part of church doctrine.
I wouldn’t want my Mormon friends to be singled out for hate crimes because of their religion. I don’t want my gay friends singled out for hate crimes because of their sexual orientation.
If my comment does anything, I’d like for people who have a problem with it to look at the original quote that I was referring to. You can not have a problem with only one. Hatred still exists even if it is not directed at you.
So where is snark to comment on this?
I wouldn’t necessarily leap to the conclusion that the Mormon Church or its representative, Elder Packer, was bashing gays. The article cited by Esprix quoted some of Elder Packer’s remarks (the full text of his remarks can be found here) but most of the article was editorializing and reporting on reaction to the church, not on any new actions or statements by the church itself. It seems to me that the writer used Elder Packer’s talk as an excuse to fan the flames of hatred “once again”, when no offence was intended.
As I read them, Elder Packer’s remarks could be summed up as re-iterating that the Mormon Church continues to regard homosexual relations as sinful and that young people should avoid indulging or experimenting with homosexual behavior. There was certainly no advocacy of hatred or violence – in fact there were expressions of love, whether they were accepted or not.
This is not new information. There is a fundamental disagreement between the Mormon Church and, to use an imprecise term, the gay community. Neither side is going to retreat, and perhaps the best we can hope for is a grudging tolerance on both sides. But IMHO the article cited was much more inflammatory than the talk given at the church conference.
The main thing about this that I object to is the efforts of the Mormon church to have anti SSM laws passed. That bothers me the same way that any law passed because of religious pressure does (No evolution theory taught in Kansas, for example).
I am the farthest thing from gay.
That said, if I had to make the choice between being a Mormon for the rest of my life or taking a dick in the ass, I’ll take the butt-fucking. That would be over a lot quicker and a temporarily hurting asshole is better than BEING an asshole.
Don’t you get any ideas, Esprix…
Yer pal,
Satan
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