Morrowind/Xbox/Console gaming questions

A friend sent me a review of Morrowind, which he reckons is worth buying the X-box for alone. I have never played console games, but on the strength of that review, I went out to look at X-boxes. So, some questions:

  1. There is a PC version and an X-box version of Morrowind. Is there much difference between the two?

  2. Will Morrowind ever be available for a different platform, eg Playstation 2?

  3. I absolutely loved Baldur’s Gate, and am about to start playing BG2. Is this a good sign I will also love Morrowind?

  4. Are there other, even bigger and better RPGs like Morrowind in development (for any platform) that will be released in the next few months?

  5. Is there anything as good as Morrowind available currently for another platform, eg PS2?

  6. What are the main differences/advantages between X-box and PS2?

Partly these questions come from the fact that the guy in the electronics store advised me against buying X-box, he said PS2 was much better with more games, and X-box might be phased out. He did admit the graphics were better on X-box though.

Many thanks in advance to anyone able to answer!

Facts:

  1. Xbox is the superior system on the market right now.

  2. Xbox will not be “phased out.” Microsoft’s has explicitly stated that their business strategy is to keep throwing money at it and make it work.

  3. Xbox has more games than PS2 has at this point in it’s life.

  4. Morrowind is widely considered one of the best console RPG’s ever and will stay exclusively on Xbox as far as consoles go. I personally did not like it but YMMV.

  5. Most RPGs that are “bigger and better” than Morrowind in the [foreseeable] future will be online. I don’t know if you like online gaming or not but if you do try looking for a game called Fable (due out sometime next year I think.)
    Bottom Line:

Anyone with an Xbox is going to tell you to buy an Xbox, anyone with a PS2 is going to tell you to buy a PS2. The argument has been done ad naseum on this board and elsewhere.

My adivse would be to rent the two systems and get the one that you think has the best games and “feels right” to you. I personally couldn’t ever get a feel for the PlayStation or the PS2. The Xbox just “felt right” the first time I played it so that’s what I got. Again, your mileage may vary.

If you want to play Morrowind, I would highly encourage you to get the PC version. There are I believe two patches that obviously cannot be applied to the X-Box version.

Nor can any of the hundreds of official or user-created add-ons. Or the construction set. Or “Tribunal”, which is a follow-on quest that can be purchased separately.

Many, many people are very unsatisfied with their X-Box versions of Morrowind and wish they had gotten the PC version. If this would mean upgrading your system components, now is a good time to do that anyway.

In case you can’t tell, I loved it.

Thanks Cisco. I would love to play online RPGs, but living here, it’s just not possible internet-wise. ADSL isn’t even available in my area yet (though when it is, that will be an option, assuming they don’t block/censor online gaming sites).

Can you tell me what you didn’t like about Morrowind? I want to get a really full picture of the game before possibly buying it.

In terms of games, I only like either really intricate, plot-based/quest-based RPGs (as opposed to just hack and slash - I like character development) or very simple, classic card games, which I can play on my laptop.

I only really had two gripes with Morrowind. Small enough that they wouldn’t even bother most people but big enough to me to make me trade in the game.

#1. It was a bit too dark. By ‘dark’ I mean the whole world looked dark and desolate, it was always either cloudy or raining or night-time. Most of the plant-life was dead or just had a droopy ashy look to it. Few of the world’s inhabitants were friendly and all spoke with menacing voices. The music was sad and at times creepy. It wasn’t that the game scared me or anything, I just like my RPG’s with a higher, more adventurous spirit.

#2. It wasn’t online.

Cisco, did you play the game long enough to realize that:

[1] The weather changes. Dramatically. The scenery can be immensely beautiful and bright (you can also adjust the gamma in-game),

[2] The music can be changed to whatever you like by dropping your own MP3s in one of the system folders, and

[3] NPCs can act nicer to you depending on the type of character you have chosen.

I have Morrowind for the Xbox and absolutely love it. I’ve never played an RPG before but if this is anything to go by, I’ll be getting more.

As far as the differences between the Xbox and PS2 go:

  1. The PS2 currently has more games than Xbox
  2. Xbox has better graphics than PS2
  3. Xbox has a hard drive so games can be saved, on the PS2 you must buy memory stick things at a significant price if you want to save games.
  4. Because of the Xbox hard drive, you can load your music CDs onto the Xbox and listen to them instead of the music that comes with the game (some games don’t support this - Morrowind is one).
  5. Some people don’t like the Xbox controller much, saying it’s too big, personally I don’t have a problem with it and there is a smaller one available.
  6. PS2 fans say the Xbox is big and ugly.

You probably need to hear some opinions from someone who has both.

Morrowind should be the standard that all RPG’s are held too. It truly is a Role Playing Game. You can choose any role you want. You can do anything you want. You can follow the main quest and “beat” the game (which still doesn’t end), but you don’t have to if you don’t want to.

Feel like serving in the Imperial armed services and build up a reputation of honor and valor? Go ahead.

Want to become a professional assassin that does the dirty work for the politicking nobles? Do it. You can.

If stabbing people with pointy objects isn’t your deal, you can become a dusty old sage and study and procure spells and potions for the Mages guild whilst becoming a great wizard yourself.

You could, of course, join the Thieves Guild and become the most skilled burglar and pickpocket in the realm, all the while sabatoging the efforts of your rivals, the Morag Tong.

The religious life alluring to you? Enter the service of one of the many temples, atone for the sins of your fellows, execute the will of your god, or simply impose the will of the official state temple with an Inquisitorial air.

Don’t like organization? Screw it. Wander through the wilderness and create your own adventures. There are hundreds upon hundreds of dungeons, ruins, forgotten cities, and other places full of danger and riches for you to explore. You can also become a brigand and just whack anyone you meet upon the road and take their stuff.

Or, reject the children of Day entirely. Find a vampire, get bitten, become infected, and serve the clan you become a part of, all the while abusing your now disgusting amount of power and slaughtering innocent townsfolk to feed.

My ONLY complaint, was that they didn’t code a change in the world if you managed to slay Vivec, the man-made-god that those of the state sponsored temple serve. After beating the main quest and having all the power I could want, I duked it out with this guy and killed him, and all of the temple guards and priests acted in the same way as before. I was hoping there would be massive suicides, or at least they might freak out and attack me or eachother. How disappointing.

Other than that, it was Daggerfall perfected. Buy it, buy it, buy it.

I have Morrowind for both Xbox and PC. Neither games float my boat. They are just too tedious for my tastes. Doesn’t mean they are bad games, just not my style. I do like RPGs mind you. That one just didn’t do it for me.

BTW, I have all 3 systems, Xbox, PS2, and Gamecube. I will say that my favorite system by far is my Xbox. I like the controller, I like the HDD, I love Xbox live. I like my PS2 as well, I just haven’t played it since I got my Xbox about 6 months ago. I like my cube, but they are just too slow putting out gmaes for it. The only really good game to come out in a long time is Metroid PRime.

Morrowind is the same on both Xbox and PC.

Something to keep in mind about Morrowind is that it’s not particularly intricate or plot-based. Its world is very large, and very open, and therein is its strength–you can take your character wherever you want, do whatever you like (within constraints of the coding, of course)–but an intricate or compelling plot it is not. Sure, there’s a main questline in there, but the Morrowind experience is not so much plot-driven as plot-passengered. :slight_smile:

The PC version is quite a bit superior to the Xbox version–if it’s running on a PC with sufficient chops for it (which is a little more afordable these days then date-of-release). Plus, apparently the Tribunal expansion fixes, or at least alleviates, the godawful unforgiveably useless quest journal–which isn’t going to happen for the Xbox version. The PC version also allows mods to be installed, and the ability to make the three billion cliff racers in the game non-aggressive is itself a godsend in the early game.

Console-wise, I’ll second the suggestion to just take some time, rent and play on all three systems, and choose according to which one appeals the most. Take everything that a rabid defender of any particular one of them says with several truckloads of salt.

I have Morrowind for Xbox, and I have to tell you, it is a hell of a piece of software. Bethesda literally created an entire world on one disk. My only complaint is that the game is SO complex; and I dont want to pay $25 for the game manual. The fighting is piss poor as well.

Any good Morrowwind sites out there to help me get started?

Vinnie, GameFAQs has excellent Morrowind FAQs, but most of the tips will have you do various things to level your character up quickly, or do other crazy things that take the difficulty from the game. As it stands, no patches (or on the XBox) there is a ceiling to difficulty. By level 30 you will be pretty much a bad ass any way you slice it.

I can give all the advice you need on starting a game, all the way to how to use the XBox to be a level 1 god with excellent equipment, stats, and items, or I can just give advice on character creation: which stats and skills to put where to ensure you level up smoothly so long as you aren’t a fighter… I haven’t done anything with a pure fighter. I’ve gone thief, mage, and thief-mage (oh yeah, an excellent combination).

I tried playing the game twice before I actually got interested in it. The first two times I created characters I didn’t like much, and that led me to be more or less disappointed in the game. But getting a character you like changes everything IMMENSELY.

Getting up the first few levels is difficult no matter what (unless you cheat). There is simply no way around this.

Bethesda also has their own board at morrowind.com. Pretty good, but it is almost all spoilers for learning your character, and learning the story. I’d recommend it as a second-pass through the game, or if you are REALLY stuck (which shouldn’t happen).

Thank you every one for all the information and advice you have given. It is really interesting and useful (although I am more torn than ever between all the different platforms now!!)

I will see if I can rent or borrow the different consoles to see how I go. Also, as I probably won’t be buying the console for a couple of months, fingers crossed the prices will come down, or upgraded models be released (does this happen with consoles?)

With the PC version you can get ‘Tribunal’, which will make the journal better, and you can DL the patches on the PC as well.

Morrowind is a WONDERFUL game. It is what all RPG’s should be judged by. I mean, they’ve made a new world, with traditions, power structures, and a rich history. It’s amazing the amount of detail they’ve placed in the game.

  1. Very little. The X-Box runs on pc architecture with an Nvidia 3d card and a modified version of Windows CE as the operating system. This makes pc ports, either way, very easy.

The X-Box version plays at a lower resolution than the pc version is capable of. A high end pc will run the game at a much higher, more consistent framerate and will look prettier doing it.

The pc version may need several patches to clear up compatability difficulties. PC’s have literally thousands of different combinations of processors, processor speeds, graphics cards, operating systems, drivers, etc. The X-Box version was tweaked for a single processor, graphics card and operating system. Once it ran fine on any X-Box, it would run fine on every X-Box. It can’t be patched, but it’s unlikely it would need to be.

  1. Highly unlikely. The X-Box barely has the power to run it, and the save games are huge. The PS2 simply doesn’t have the power to run the game as it exists or the storage capacity for the enormous game saves. A lot of compromises would have to be made to simplify the game enough to get it to run at all on the PS2, and it would require extestive reworking. And it’s not a PS2 style of game.

  2. Nope. Baldur’s Gate is a story driven party RPG. Morrowwind is a single player open-ended free-form game. Morrowwind can be played for tens of hours without even attempting to solve the main quest.

4 and 5: Better than Morrowwind is subjective. I think Fallout 2 is the greatest CRPG of all time; other opinions vary.

Fable (X-Box): You start out as a young boy. Every decsion you make in the game helps determine what kind of character you develop. You play out your character’s entire life, from childhood to old age.

Knights of the Old Republic (X-Box): A Star Wars action RPG set 4000 years before the events in the movies.

Baldur’s Gate: Dark Alliance (X-Box, PS2, GC): Duh, it’s Baldur’s Gate.

Dungeons and Dragons Heroes (XB, PS2, GC): Edition 3 D and D rules with gameplay very similar to Baldur’s Gate and 4 player simultaneous play.

Kindom Hearts (GC): This looks like a great game. Square programmed using a mixture of Square and Disney characters. The Gamecube also already has Zelda and Starfox adventures, so it’s a good choice for light adventure RPG’s.

Summoner 2 (PS2): A dungeon exploration game. You can have up to two cpu controlled companions.

In addition, the PS2 has a ton of existing games, including a couple very similar to the Baldur’s Gate style.

  1. The PS2 has a larger installed base and a huge library of games available. PS1 games will play on the PS2, which means you can play the single greatest console RPG ever, Castlevania: Symphony of the Night. The PS2 has well established franchises such as Twisted Metal that aren’t available on other platforms. The PS2 has more third party support due to a larger installed base; some X-Box games are ports of PS2 games.

The PS2 has one of the best, easiest to use standard controllers ever designed.

PS2 games are in their third generation. Major developers have learned the hardware and know how to make the most of it, resulting in games that can often look almost as good as X-Box versions.

The X-Box is more powerful. Morrowwind and the upcoming Doom 3 won’t run on any other console. The number of games exclusive to the X-Box because they won’t run on anything else will be increasing.

The X-Box already has more good games than most people can reasonably afford to buy anyway. There are tons of sports games, racing games, and what is regarded as the best 1st person shooter on any platform (Halo, which I’m in the minority in not liking much). It has the best looking one-on-one fighter ever (DOA2).

Multiplatform games tend to look better and play with less or no slowdown on the X-Box, thought the differences aren’t enough to base a purchase decision on.

The X-Box has a large hard drive included. It can be used to record tracks form cd’s that can later be used in some games or it can be used as a jukebox. The hard drive makes expansion of existing games possible through downloading costumes, cars, characters, etc. I just added a bunch of costumes to DOA3.

The X-Box’s regular controller has been criticized for being too large, though I find it quite comfortable (I have big hands). Newer bundles include the new S-controller, which my wife finds more comfortable.

The X-Box is HDTV compatable and looks absolutely fantastic when hooked up to a HDTV through component cables. As of yet, few gams support HDTV, though most due include a widescreen version which can then be upconverted by the X-Box or tv–they look better than the standard def, but not as good as native HD games do. It also is capable of 5.1 surround sound through a DD or DTS receiver. I doubt you’ll ever see a DTS encoded game, but you’ll start seeing a lot more DD encoded games.

The X-Box games are in their first generation, meaning that developers are still learning the system. As developers get the hang of the hardware, graphical quality will likely improve. The PS2 is likely either at or close to its peak already. The difference in graphics of

In short, the PS2 has more games and more third party support, while the X-Box has better hardware, some good games, and more potential for improvement.

Your best course of action is to do what you’ve already said you’re going to do: rent each platform and the games that look best for it. Buy the one that has the games you like best.

In answer 6, the best looking fighter ever should be listed as DOA3, not DOA2. Please ignore the numerous other typos and editing mistakes.

Relatively easy, but the big concern with Xbox is that it “only” has 64 MB of memory, total. So ports are simpler than to a completely new OS, but it’s not quite as trivial as you make it sound. And just to nitpick, it’s a modified version of Windows NT, not really Windows CE.

For Morrowind, it’s not so much a case of patching for compatibility issues as adding game content. As others have mentioned, dozens of user-created and Bethesda-created mods have been released so far, as well as the “Tribunal” expansion pack. Those aren’t available for the Xbox version, hard drive or not.

In name only. Baldur’s Gate: Dark Alliance is a lot more like Diablo than the PC Baldur’s Gate games. It’s still a hell of a lot of fun, but it’s definitely more an action game (like Gauntlet) than a “true” RPG.

I agree with Number Six on just about everything else. I own a PS2 and an Xbox; the PS2 definitely has a broader range of titles, and if I had to own only one console, it would be the PS2. I’m a big fan of console RPG’s like Final Fantasy and Suikoden, and IMO the PS2 wins in that category. The Xbox’s main selling points are its niche titles like Jet Set Radio Future, and its Xbox Live service.

If you’re thinking of getting an Xbox just for Morrowind, I’d frankly recommend against it. The PC version is more extensible, both with the mods and the expansion pack (I haven’t tried the expansion pack yet though). But be aware you have to have a relatively powerful PC to get the whole benefit – plenty of memory and a higher-end graphics card in particular. If you’re faced with the prospect of having to upgrade your PC to run the game, then the Xbox might be the way to go. It retails for $199, which is less than you’d end up spending on a really nice video card + more memory.

And yeah, the clerk who told you the Xbox is in danger of being “phased out” was just wrong. Microsoft is losing money on the thing, but that’s never stopped them before – the Xbox is going to stick around at least for the normal lifetime of a videogame console – 4 to 5 years. Whether there’s an Xbox 2, who knows? It sounds like Microsoft wants to use the technology in an all-in-one set-top box format like a Tivo+Xbox, but they’ve wanted that type of thing forever.