This has probably already been said, but given the dumbness of the OP I’m just going to go ahead and say it: you need to take a beginner’s course in statistics.
If, according to OP, 23% of people convicted of rape are black that would mean blacks are roughly twice as likely to rape as whites, because they make up only about 12% of the population. Whites (depending on how you count Hispanics) make up around 80% of the population. Which means, again according to the OP, whites are less likely (not more likely) to rape than the general population.
In other words, your numbers prove the opposite of what you’re saying.
I was trying to follow Honesty’s claims but unless I’m way off, I’m seeing “rate” used in reference to absolute numbers when I’d expect it to be in reference to per capita, and that makes me dubious.
If there’s an important genetic component does that mean that I as a White Man can get out of jail card for raping (or as the call it in Sweden: surprise sexing) hot chicks?
After all if I have no free will how can i be morally or legally culpable?
Thanks for your question, Honesty. I notice that you don’t understand how to break down statistics, so I will help you. Notice that your statistics do not account for Hispanic males. That is because in the United States, whenever a Hispanic male commits a crime, he is lumped in with white offenders in order to inflate white crime statistics.
According to your own statistics, blacks commit 23% of the rapes and sex offense in the United States. You should also be aware that blacks only comprise 12% of the US population. This would make blacks TWICE as likely as a whites and Hispanics combined, to be a sex offender.
The FBI has been counting crimes committed against Hispanics separately from whites, but crimes committed BY Hispanics as being committed by whites. This artificially inflates the white offender category, and makes crime appear more balanced. This is to appease the liberals.
Now since whites are a minority in some states, such as California, now they are going to start keeping separate categories for Hispanic, White, and Black offenders stating at the end of 2014.
Your question as to whether there is a genetic component to criminal behavior, the answer is 100% yes. The higher the mean IQ for a group is, the lower the propensity for criminal behavior. Let’s take the Stanford Study on murderers. Regardless of race, a study of 600 inmates doing time for murder revealed that 90% of them had an IQ between 80 and 90. This is a range that psychologists felt that people were able to grasp the difference between right and wrong, but reacted emotionally and were unable to control themselves.
The mean IQ for blacks is 86, which puts a higher percentage of blacks into this category. Whites have a mean IQ of 101, so there are fewer whites who commit these crimes. Asians have an even higher mean IQ at 106, and thus have the lowest crime rates of any race.
Now you can have an Asian with an IQ of 85, and a black person with an IQ of 106, and the Asian would be more likely to commit crime in this scenario. Because the correlation is with intelligence, not with an individual’s skin color.
Thanks.
-Eric
This is the sort of thing that should be easy to demonstrate if it is true, yet I have not encountered it in decades of watching this sort of discussion.
As to any discussion relying on “IQ” measurements, even if IQ measured anything more than the ability to take an IQ test, they are so often massaged (by both sides of the debate) as to be meaningless.
Why you had to drag up an ancient thread by a banned poster with no activity in more than ten months to make those dubious points, I am not sure.
It depends on what you mean by “this claim”. I will assume you mean the claim that whites and Hispanics are lumped together. In the FBI statistics, they are.
I don’t know why I bother, since you will simply claim you were saying something else, but…
Do you have a cite for this, or are we just giving unsubstantiated opinions? If the latter, no, you are wrong.
What’s your opinion? Do you believe that black people, on average, are inherently inferior in genetic potential for intelligence as compared to white people?
Are there any crime statistics that break down different kinds of “white” people? It would be interesting to know if e.g. anyone has observed that Sorbians rape more often than Gotlanders who rape more often than Walloons who rape more often than Cornish people who rape more often than Shetland Islanders who rape more often than Flemings who rape more often than White Russians who rape more often than Basques who rape more often than Hungarians who rape more often than Scottish Highlanders who rape more often than Swedish-speaking Finns who rape more often than Tuscans who rape more often than Leonese.
I mean the claim that they are lumped only as perpetrators and never as victims.
As to IQ games, they are not relevant to this thread and if anyone wishes to pretend that they have meaning, they can open up a new thread to discuss them.
It was good of you, however, to admit that yours was an unsubstantiated opinion.
No one made that claim. You wanted a cite that Hispanics and whites are lumped together as “offenders”, and now you have one. As expected, you are now attempting to claim you were asking for something else.
Was this aimed at me, or iiandyii? If at me, I was responding to you. If you wish to rule out discussions of IQ, you should have done so instead of trying to engage in one.
OK, my bad then. If you were to read the cite provided, you will note that white and Hispanic have been, in fact, lumped together under victims of homicide. Cite.
Are you looking for stats for a single location, or cross-location works? Because if the second, comparing rape rates for different locations would be a starting point.
Region might be a good starting point as a proxy. One problem with trying to break down crime statistics by ethnicity is that you can’t really get finer than the data that is tracked. You could say that hey, this guy named John McDonald was convicted of rape and the conviction record says he’s white, but is he, like, Irish or Scottish? Most “Mc” names can be either. Well, maybe this census data says that in this tri-city area, Scottish people outnumber Irish 3-1. So let’s attach a probability factor and get on to the next case. But wait, maybe he was adopted and is genetically more French Canadian. So do we track by DNA or culture? Maybe both are important! Maybe, growing up in a Scottish family tends to impart Scottish attitudes about morality and when and if it’s acceptable to commit rape regardless of your DNA. Or what about people of multiple ancestry? Maybe you find a convicted rapist named Herman Schneider. You do a background check on him and find out that he was born in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, so you make an ass out of you and me and put him down as Pennsylvania Dutch. But maybe in reality his father was an international student from Vienna who was studying at Penn State and his mother was a Native Hawaiian also studying there.
Next case, Marcos Santos. Well, last name Santos, so is he Hispanic? Or maybe Italian? or Portuguese?
