Motivational Seminar as cover for proselytization (LONG)

So today about 20 people from my office attended one of those motivational seminars where they have speakers on various subjects: Sales & Marketing, Goal Achievement, Leadership, Competitiveness, etc.

Scam the first part: each of these “motivational speakers” were also selling stuff, lots of it–books, tapes, DVDs, stock-picking programs originally for $6000 but available while supplies last for only $2995! It was exactly like a live infomercial. I was born at night, but not last night, so I expected all of this.

Now, they saved the two headliners (a local sports celebrity and Rudy Guliani) until last, in order to keep people in their seats. Makes sense, right? Before that, though, the perky emcee introduces "the reason I am here, my husband, Mr. So-and-So, who is also the producer of these Motivational Seminars tm! (In retrospect, she had a vaguely Tammy Faye hairdo). Which leads us to:

Scam the second part: Mr. So’s topic was something like “Spiritual Success” or somesuch. Boring, bring on the football player! Mr. So puts up a graphic on the video screen of a little circle labeled “ME” and a larger circle labeled “Circumstances”. He then draws like a pulley around the two and the the circles vibrate violently to illustrate, I guess, how the two interact. He then asks how we “center things”. Answer: Boom, big, blue circle labeled “God”. Uh, oh.

“Now, there are 20,000 people here, and we all have 20,000 views on what God means to us, and that’s OK.” Except for the atheists in the audience, this is a reasonable “save”. If he were saying that by believing what you believe, that can “center” you, I guess I could agree.

But then a little later, he starts with “23 years ago, I changed my life. I said, LORD JAYSUS, COME INTO MY HEART, LET ME DO THY WILL, and my life was changed, blah blah blah.” He later asked the audience to say the “affirmation” with him, noted that people were supposedly “writing it down”, and repeated it a third time. His final stick was to show us how to fill out their little comment cards, and to check the box on whether or not we had BEEN SAVED TODAY!

Jesus Christ on Toast! You made up an all day seminar on Business and Sales Motivation just so you could preach at us about your particular brand of Chritianity? We paid for this crap, wasted a day, sat through your infomercials and crappy hot dog lunch for this??? I am a Christian, and I was offended, did you not even consider my Hindu and Jewish coworkers who were with me? Guess what, fucknugget, they do not except JAYSUS as their personal Lord and Saviour. GET OVER IT AND SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT IT! Fucking tools!!!

So why did 20 people from your office go in the first place?
Are there not regular seminars by reputable people offering the kind of topics you are really after?
If I want to go to a seminar such as this and my office is paying for my professional development, I would have to prove it was worth going to by doing some research on the people delivering.

Christians are still stuck in the middle ages. In those days, you’d never go more than 10 miles or so from your place of birth, and you’d find religious beliefs pretty much identical amongst everyone you met.

As an atheist, I admit we’re a small minority (about 10% or so), so I move on to theists. Contemporary evangelical protestants never seem to take much time in the leap between “here’s god” and “the Lord Jesus saves!” It’s like they figure once you’ve got agreement on god, you must have a consensus on Jesus, because after all Jesus has been the central spiritual figure of their lives, so he must be the same for all :rolleyes: Jesus is more of a cultural figure than a valid theological one, but they just don’t see that.

Why they seem to think that they can introduce the subject of god and immediately leap without notice to three gods in some hideously complex relationship revolving around a historical figure of dubious origins, I have no idea. “God” may be a rather generic notion in contemporary America, but all the same I don’t understand these people’s leap from the generic to the specific.

I have had a couple of similar things happen to me. I will not hijack your rant with my stories but I would have either stood up and left the room or very loudly vocalized my displeasure. There many who believe that deception is a valid was to gain converts. The Campus Crusade for Christ, for example, is famous for this.

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I thought success seminars were just another name for preaching Jesus to businesspeople. I’ve yet to hear about a success seminar or the like that didn’t preach about Jesus. (Not that I’d ever actually get to go to many, but I’ve heard that many of them tend to be very Jesus-oriented.)

Agreed, 100%. This was apparently a groupthink exercise, where somebody thought it was a good idea, and everybody else went along. Personally, they signed me up while I was out on vacation. :rolleyes:

I honestly didn’t know that about " success seminars", guess I was just niave. Oh well, I won’t be going again. Fool me once…

Goodness, I’m not certain they are – pfft, I just read some motivational books and saw Jesus talk and went to one seminar and heard all about Jesus.

It’s probably just sticking in my brain, really.

I can’t tell if your post is serious or making fun. I only went to one seminar and got the bait-and-switch Jesus thing. Didn’t care for it. Oh well.

Woulda been cool if Giuliani had stood up at the end and said, “Wow, what the fuck was that?”

I bet he didn’t, though.

I woulda paid good money to see someone stand up and holler,
“I found Jaysus…he’s under my chair!”
Heeee!

Usually business seminars have door prizes. What did the guy/gal with the picture of Jesus under their chair win?

I wondered the same thing. He should have said that as soon as he walked on stage. The Jaysus segment was immediately preceding Guliani’s speech, except for yet another appearance by their fake singer this time doing “I’m Proud to be an American” and “God Bless America”. So Guliani had to be backstage hearing the whole Jaysus thing. GAH!

You should have fallen shrieking to the floor, writhing with convulsions and speaking in tongues.

Y’know, let them know they made an impression.