Ok - back from a couple busy days.
I don’t terribly wish to give up my item either at this point in time.
My big question is to why sachertorte went to make new lists with a new seed. I didn’t see anything wrong with the first lists, what boozahol did looked perfectly reasonable.
Maybe I’m crazy, but I guess I’m left wondering why the heck you’d want to reroll, unless someone in particular was set up for a fall.
Aaaaaand…
Nevermind. I see why he rerolled and it seems fair enough.
While I’m pleased you think my idea is a good one, I went back to read the exchange between you and sach, and IMO you come out much the worse. The “Good” slip is troubling, I agree with you there, but that’s it. I agree with sach that your characterization of his idea for everyone to put their items into the hoard was…poor. I don’t see where he is continuing to smudge you. Your case looks like a bad stretch to me, although I’m not yet convinced it’s a scummy stretch. Feel free to try to change my mind.
His smudging of me isn’t obvious. It’s a couple of posts addressing me without calling me out and is a very subtle thing.
I am the implied someone in all of these statements. And I do questions sacher’s suggestions. I posted his ever increasing list of objects that should be lynching offenses if anyone is caught with them. By the time you get to the end nearly anyone’s possession of anything could be under suspicion. He says he only meant his statements as suggestions or items for discussion. I didn’t read them that way. YMMV
Well, I’m certainly not going to jump on anybody for generating discussion, especially about the exotic stuff like the items. Frankly I don’t like how fast sinjin was to jump, either, but I don’t think either player was particularly scummy. At this point I’m leaning towards lynch the lurker… except that the players with absolutely no posts I have to figure have IRL stuff going on, as we’re out of Night Zero and well into Day 1 without any posts from, say, Blaster Master, who is usually a prolific kind of guy.
Also, has anybody run the numbers on how many mislynches we get, depending on the number of evil characters?
Maybe I haven’t expressed myself well here. It seemed to me sachertorte started out wanting to ban a couple of items that would impede investigators, which makes sense. He then moved on to other items that should not be allowed based on their being anti-town, and then immediately endorsed the idea that all items be placed in the hoard, but seemed to weasel about his putting his own item there. It just seemed rather self/scum serving to me. I read it as: “Let’s get all the anti-town items out of town hands and make all of them readily available for scum to grab.”
I am leaning towards lynching the lurker as well, but not Blaster Master. I’ve played in a lot of games with the guy, and he almost always is deathly quiet for the first day. If he goes two or three, I’d be down with lynching him, but I imagine he’ll come along shortly and post a small encyclopedia’s worth over the course of three posts.
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vote: zuma
vote: Darth Sensitive**
We have either 4, 3 or 2 mislynches, depending on whether we have 3, 4 or 5 scum. Of course, these numbers are significantly less precise than they normally would be, because the scum-kill isn’t guaranteed.
I see now that DS has come in and posted again. I really want him and Hawkeye to participate more, but for now I’ll
[color=redunvote: Darth Sensitive[/color]
And just one more point, as I stated before, my suspicion was ignited by what I perceived to be a major slip by sachertorte. Maybe I am suffering from confirmation bias. But good og we’re playing mafia here. We can discuss item possession till jesus rises from the dead again but we still need to come up with a lynchee by Friday noon.
Sorry, I’ve made similar slips plenty of times while playing as a towny: it just isn’t big enough for me to want to lynch our most effective cop, should he turn out to be Good.
Re-read my posts. Sinjin, you have severely missed the point.
At no point did I try to “weasel” out of putting my item down.
Why are you so focused on the fact that I entertained the idea of a mass drop, but completely ignore all points I make against a mass drop?
Okay. That was therapeutic. I’ll try to be less bitchy now.
Sorry I’ve been scarce. It would make me a bit of a hypocrite to go throwing votes down for those being lurkier than I’ve been, so I’m not going to do that. Especially since they’re already getting some heat elsewhere.
I’m also still inclined to keep and eye on sachertorte, and now extend that eye in sinjin’s general direction as well, if only to be fair. Theirs’ is the only real drama to be had, and drama can indicate some sort of scum angle.
So far the most non-sensical (or perhaps just counter-intuitive…I need to read the post again, I think) statement I’ve read so far is Mhaye’s idea that CG folks are somehow more worrisome than anyone else, but then I’m usually more inclined not to hunt PFKs in the hopes that they decide to make decisions that end up assisting my team…unless they end up outing themselves with a slip and then claiming or otherwise gift-wrapping themselves for a lynch, in which case I’ll not hesitate to lynch them.
Ok, I need to get some votes in before we all stampede some unlucky townie.
vote Blaster Master
vote zuma
vote sachertorte
The first two are lurker votes obviously. Darth Sensitive is very close to falling into this pile as well, but I am (for now) willing to buy the being busy excuse. This is assuming that he starts participating, otherwise he will most likely get a vote too.
Sachertorte gets a vote for a number of reasons:
The thing about the sachertorte vote is that I really don’t like voting for an investigator that is hard for scum to kill. But damn sachertorte, you must admit that at least some of your ideas reek of scum agenda to someone who doesn’t know your alignment. I’m very torn on this, but on the other hand, I don’t really support a pure-lurker vote either.
I’ll leave the votes there for now, and I think people should start getting some votes down to avoid last minute bandwagons. If nothing else, then just let them reflect your opinions now and come back to them later. Right now, only sachertorte looks scummy (to me), but as he himself said, he is also the only one talking.
Are you people even reading what I write?
This “case” against sachertorte is awful. He may or may not be Evil, but I’m going to want to see much better evidence than this before I contribute my vote to lynching a (certain) investigative role.
I would like to invite someone with a lot of time on their hands to try an experiment. Go back and find all the so-called “slips” of this kind on which we have variously seized. Count up the number of times these “slips” have actually been made by Scum. I will wager $10 that the percentage is less than 25%.
On the other hand, I will wager that the percentage of so-called “slips” that have caused at least one Scum to vote for the putative slipper approaches 100%. And thus, I am at least as suspicious of those emphasizing this slip as a reason for voting - notably Chucara and sinjin - as I am of sachertorte for making it.
This is excruciating. Really? Really? sach has been promoting discussion on these issues, carefully trying to look at all the possible sides of each possible strategy. This is what we do in every single game. Discussion of mass claims of one kind or another has occurred in every single game. The conversation was going to happen here; it always does. sach brought it up, and has been turning the ideas over, trying to analyze them and generate conversation. These are good things, for crying out loud. What was the alternative? Sit here in silence? Offer no opinion?
The above paragraph reads like waffling to me. I’m going to vote for sach, I hate to do it, but gosh, he sure does look Scummy to someone who doesn’t know his alignment, someone like me, I sure don’t know his alignment, how could I know his alignment? But I don’t like the vote, so I’m ready to blow whatever way the wind does.
vote Chucara
vote sinjin
Because while sach may or may not be Scum, the arguments against sach are scummy. sinjin, for her part, has not accurately represented sach’s contributions in my mind. And again, I think that it’s exceedingly likely that the “good” slip - whether or not it was a real slip - will have generated at least one Evil vote by now. Let’s see if I’m right.
I’ve been reading what you’ve written. Even the stuff where you are calling me stupid and yelling at me.
Hey, I voted you 4th not 1st so it’s not like its a big deal. I’m not so stupid that I think town is going to lynch an investigator on day one. I wanted my suspicions out there and my vote in blue so that when I end up dead people will know how I felt about you.
Before you went on your last tirade I even said that I might have had confirmation bias because I went back and looked at your posts after I noticed your slip. Have you been reading my posts?
unvote sachertorte
Because I’ve made my point.
And I see that storyteller has voted me while I was typing, so it goes.
I’m not even going to argue anymore. My role isn’t very important and I’m a Lawful so I can win if even if I’m dead.
Seriously storyteller? You’re voting me because I voted for someone who is an investigator? Should we all vote for you now then for doing the same?
I won’t move my vote due to your opinions, I think sachertortes play is as scummy as it gets on day one, and if I do decide to move my vote, it will be on my own terms. I completely agree (and stated it in my vote) that there is a high risk in lynching sachertorte, and I wouldn’t do so if I didn’t find his actions scummy. Voting for someone for stating their suspiscions is a very bad play for town.
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Thanks to storyteller, and a late thanks to ShadowFacts for posting calming and reasonable posts before I had a chance to make an ass (bigger ass?) of myself.
The “take a walk before blowing a gasket” policy is working quite well for me.
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Sinjin,
I was trying to make a conscious effort not to call anyone stupid in this game. Such behavior is uncalled for and a poor reflection of me. I apologize for my bad behavior.