My battle of wills with a 4 year old

The family (me, wife, 8, 6, & 4 year old girls) travelled to my wife’s parents for Thanksgiving. They live about 90 miles away, so while it isn’t that long a trip, it really requires at least an overnight stay, given the work involved travelling with kids. We were staying 3 nights due to the holiday, and to give the kids a chance to hang out with their cousins. My in-laws have a pretty big house, so my wife and I get a room, and the kids get a room.

The kids had a great time on Thanksgiving, but problems began at bedtime. The girls share a room at home, but they each have their own bed. At the in-laws, 2 of them have to share a full bed, while the third sleeps on an old folding cot kind of thing. The 4 year old absolutely refused to get into bed with her 6 year old sister. Would not do it. No amount of cajoling, persuading, explaining would work. Finally, I asked her “Do you want to get into bed, or do you want to go home?” I knew she didn’t want to go home. She wanted to sleep with us. Since the bed we have to share at the in-laws is also a full, and we’re used to sleeping in a king, that simply wasn’t going to happen.

But stubborn girl that she is, she replied, “I want to go home.” Knowing the old adage about never issuing a threat if you won’t carry through, I picked her up in her pajamas, put some socks and a coat on her, plunked her in the car seat and drove off. At first she was a little panicked. “What about Mom? What about sister1 & sister2?” I told her we’d return on Sunday to get them. At that point, she realized the battle of wills was on. She said “Ok.” and clammed up.

I drove for about 10 minutes, on the main road away from the in-laws. I asked her if she wanted to go back. She, of course, took this as a sign of weakness and said “No, let’s go home.” By now, I was getting concerned. I really didn’t want to drive all the way home. So I told her, “You know, Mama & Papa & your cousins will miss us all a lot. If we can’t spend the night at Mama & Papa’s, we won’t be able to visit at all. It’s too far to drive down and back in one day with the whole family.” At this, her resolve began to crack. “But, but, they can drive up and visit us!” “No sweetie, Mama and Papa are getting too old to drive that far. But you’ll still be able to talk to them on the phone.” Around this point, unbeknownst to her, I turned off a side road to make my way back to the in-laws.

And then she started to negotiate - I knew I had her. “Well, I don’t want to sleep with sister2. Can I sleep with sister1?” “Sorry sweetie. Sister1 is already asleep. Tonight you have to sleep with sister2.” “But sister2 snores.” (she doesn’t BTW) “You sleep in the bed right next to her at home, so you can sleep with her tonight.” “Well, can you put a pillow in between us?” “Sure sweetie.”

She thought this over for a bit, and said, “Ok Dad. I’ll sleep in the bed with sister2. You can turn around and go back to Mama’s.” Since I was only about a quarter mile away at this point, I told her “I’m glad you want to go back. Let me look for a shortcut.” and pulled into the driveway 3 minutes later. She stayed in the bed.

How far would you have driven if she hadn’t come around?

Wrong question. Next time, try, “You can sleep in the bed or on the floor. Your choice.”

The best course of action would be to What is the parental buzzword that is all the rage? *empower * her.

Next time say something like, “I’m going to bed. Sleep where ever you like. I don’t want to hear any fighting or whining.”

Dingdingding - we have a winner!

Glad it worked out for you. But be careful, in a couple of years she won’t fall for this anymore.

It’s good you were able to make it work for both of you.

Yep, much better choice!

However, having said the wrong thing, it was an admirable follow through.

Did she know she would have to share a bed?

If she knew, you could have sorted it out before going…

Yes, I’m impressed. I have given my 4-year-old options I didn’t want to follow through with many times, out of frustration and stupidity. :slight_smile: I am not always as good with the follow-through as the OP was, though.

Yes, and thank god it was dark, and she doesn’t know how to tell time yet. Write this one in her baby book, for sure, though. :slight_smile:

I mostly take those opportunities to teach the Sometimes Even Mommies Make Mistakes lesson, “Well, you know, I spoke too quickly. Going home would be a real drag for all of us, and I shouldn’t have made it sound like that was a real choice. My bad. Your real choice is to sleep in the bed or on the floor. Which would you prefer?” :smiley:

Yeah, “Bed or floor” would have worked better. If she hadn’t cracked soon, I would either have (a) used WhyNot’s “Daddy doesn’t think straight with a belly full of turkey & pie.” excuse, or (b) “Oh no, the road is closed ahead. We’ll have to go back.”

glee, she has slept in that very bed with that very sister on previous trips without a problem. No idea what caused an issue this time.

Who the hell knows with them? They just decide they don’t want to do something, and they don’t have to have a reason, even in their own heads, I don’t think! And man are the stubborn about it. Sometimes I think the less reasonable their reason is, the more they will dig in their heels!

Yeah, last night we did the amazing bed hopping routine, a la Larry, Moe and Curly. It’s me, a 7 y/o and a 3 y/o. They followed me because they both wanted to sleep with me but not with each other. I finally said that I was tired, here’s where I’m sleeping that I figure they’ll find a bed eventually.
But that wasn’t to empower them. It’s because I was tired and lazy.

It’s always a good day when I can still outsmart my 4-year-old. Those days are getting fewer.

I would have put her shoes on her, gave her a map, set her outside and closed the door.

Thank you all in this thread for shredding any hope I have. My 3 year old is a genius ninja. I can’t count the number of times she outsmarts us.

At this moment, my husband is asleep on the couch (not on purpose) after just telling me that the last two nights of putting her to bed has been so brutal, he is willing to wait a little while. She is sitting on his lap, wide awake.

We made her door a barn door style so she could be in there and we could check on her without waking her. She now climbs over the door, over the baby gate at the top of the stairs, walks down the stairs and hides behind a rocker. Bear in mind, the stairs creak, the dogs jump to attention whenever any of us move and we have wood floors, so sneaking is impossible, evidently, for anyone over 32 lbs. (Dad is now snoring, daughter is probably considering sticking her finger up his nose and damnit, I want to go to bed!)

I was with you right up until here. This would not be truthful. I still remember stuff my parents told me that weren’t really correct. I didn’t then; I do now.

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