My brother-in-law is trying to kill himself with the power of prayer

Well, that’s not the exact truth. Suicide isn’t his INTENT. His INTENT is to use prayer to treat his high blood gucose. But killing himself may well be the consequence, though he may first pray himself into blindness, impotence, and amputations.

Here’s a little context. First of all, I have type-2 diabetes, which I discovered rather dramatically when I collapsed in a doctor’s office a few years back. My blood sugar was over 700, I am told, and I was very lucky to have collapsed before witnesses so I could be taken to the hospital rather than alone in my apartment where I would have probably died in peace. As you might imagine, this experience made me a believer in managing blood sugar proactively.

That was three years ago. Sometime after that, one of my brothers-in-law, “Ed,” was diagnosed as being “borderline diabetic.” That’s a phrase my doctor hates, by the way; she calls it the “let’s engage in denial for as long as possible to maximize the patient’s chances of losing a foot” diagnosis. Ed and I are not blood relatives, obviously, but he does have a blood relative who is diabetic–an uncle who recently had to have a foot chopped off. So you’d think he’d take the situation seriously; but, as he is only BORDERLINE diabetic, Ed and wife–my sister “Jean”–seem to think all is peachy. They have a diabetic cookbook but don’t like the recipes in it; they have a house full of sugar. But all is well, because they have PRAYED about it, bot at home and at church. The congregation has gathered around them; the pastor has laid hands and holy oil on Ed’s forehead. Surely all is well!

On Saturday, Jean came to visit; I wasn’t there, but my wife was. Jean asked about my blood-sugar control regimen, so Kim showed her my diabetes diary, wit info on diet, exercise, and meds. (Actually I only do the former two now, as I can generally keep my levels under 120 with just diet, exercise, and vigilance.) Kim also lent her my spare meter and showed her how to use it, going so far as to check the calibration to make sure it was registering accurately; she also called me, and I called Jean to add that I sprinkle a lot of cinnamononmy food. The cinnamon interested her, as Ed has just checked his own glocose for the first time in a month, and it was over 350.

“Put Ed on the phone,” I said. When the line changed hands, I went on, “Dude! Get your ass to the emergency room right now!”

“No, I don’t need to,” he replied. “It’s just cause I ate too much on Thanksgiving.”

“That was two days ago. If your pancreas were doing its job, it would have pumped out enough insulin to deal with that sugar days ago.”

“No, I’m all right,” Ed said. “I’ll just get on the treadmill and walk it off.”

“You sure? Have you been feeling fatigued lately? Peeing a lot–like every two hours? Feeling cranky?”

“Yes, yes, and yes,” he said. “But I can’t **possibly **have diabetes, Skald. We prayed about it at church, and I have claimed healing. It is God’s will that i be healed. Thanks for the information about the cinnamon, though.”

I tried further to persuade Ed to hie himself to a doctor, but he was sure he’d be fine; he wasn’t feeling nauseous or anything just that moment. He’d try to get to the doctor in a week or so, he added; he had to work at the church that afternoon and the next day, and as he is just coming off vacation, he doesn’t want to take any days off this week.

I called yesterday to see how he was doing. My sister told me they prayed for his healing again at church Sunday. And it seems to be working; his blood glucose had gone down to about 325. When I pointed out that meter readings can vary by a few percentage points or so between readings taken only moments apart, she repeated that to Ed. He took that to mean that blood glucose meters are unreliable. Anyway he’s not worried; their pastor has promised him healing.

I wonder if his pastor will promise to pay for my niece’s college education, not to mention her grief counseling when diabetes–abetted by prayer, denial, and stupidity–send her father to heaven earlier than he expects. :mad:

The power of Christ compels him. I’m sorry your sister has to go through this, but if God is enough for him, nothing else matters.

Can you contact his minister and talk to him about how prayer and medical attention together wouldn’t be blasphemous? Would he possibly be willing to encourage your BIL to go get his diabetes checked? If the word of this man means so much to him it might help to try and get him on your side, so to speak.

There’s not much else you can do. If idiots want to delude themselves like this, that’s just Natural Selection in action. When parents try to inflict this crap on their children, I think it’s criminally negligent, but they have a right to do it to themselves.

Maybe it would work to put some extreme hypotheticals to him. If he was bleeding to death, would he physically try to stop it or would he pray for it to stop? If he was drowning, would he try to get his head out of the water or would he pray to be able to breathe underwater. Ask him why trying to pray away diabetes is any different from those examples. It might get him to think a little bit. Sometimes these people can be reached, especially when they’re staring death in the face. It sounds like the possibility of dying doesn’t sound real to him right now. It might focus his mind to make him realize that it IS real.

Oy.

This reminds of the joke about flood.

It’s raining and raining and raining, there’s flooding nearby which is expected to reach Joe’s neighborhood within the day. All his neighbors evacuate, but he stays, saying God will save him.

When the water reaches his house, he goes up to the second floor. The water gets up over the first floor windows, and a guy in a rowboat rows up to the house. “Climb out the window into the boat, and I’ll get you out of here,” he says. “No,” Joe replies, “I’ll stay. The Lord will save me.”

When the water reaches the second floor, Joe climbs up on the roof. When the second floor windows are under water, a second guy in a rowboat rows up to the house. “Climb off the roof into the boat, and I’ll get you out of here.” “No, I’ll stay. The Lord will save me.”

The water keeps rising, and soon Joe is sitting on the very peak of the roof, with his feet in the water. A helicoptor flies over and the pilot flings out a rope ladder. “Climb up the ladder, and I’ll get you out of here,” the pilot yells. “No, I’ll stay,” says Joe. “The Lord will save me.”

Joe drowns. When he reaches the Pearly Gates, he’s shocked and confused, and more than a little pissed off. He turns to St. Peter and asks, “But I had so much faith. Why didn’t the Lord save me?”

St. Peter replies, “You stupid son of a bitch, He sent two boats and a helicoptor. What the hell else did you want?”

Tell your brother in law that doctors and medications are his boats and choppers. He can get in them and take the offers to save him, or he can sit there and drown. His choice.

Exactly.

This guy’s belief in the power of God is, somewhat paradoxically, going to lead to him winning a Darwin Award.

CrazyCatLady posted it before I could, but that’s the parable that came to mind.

There are too many stories about people refusing aid because they think that a higher power can aid them. Maybe you can convince them that doctor’s are God’s servants too (or something like that) and talking with his pastor might help. If the pastor won’t help he’s a dick and I’d be having some words with him, that’s unacceptable.

But frankly it might take him hitting a big glucose high and getting put in the hospital for him to realize how serious it is.

Dude that sucks. I would second the suggestion to go to the minister and insist that he give a good “but while we’re waiting for God to heal you, get thy ass to a physician” talk to the guy.

FYI, I may be going to hell for this, but my first thought when I saw the title was “Evil overlords have brothers-in-law? Who knew?”

God never forbade learning and knowledge. And medical knowledge is the same as any other, it’s a tool that we can use for God’s purposes or not, as we choose. God may well mean to heal him, but I doubt that He meant for your BIL to be so stubborn as to refuse His gifts in the meantime. That’s just sinful.

Is there any way maybe your sister could find a doctor within the denomination who might be able to reason with him? The pastor might know someone.

In the extreme there isn’t much you can do, if he insists on being so stubborn, but maybe he would respond to some persuasion from within the faith.

God has given us all kinds of tools to use in this world. We don’t please him by turning away from them. I don’t know if you can get your BIL to listen to any of this, but it might be worth a try. In the end you might just have to let him go.

Good point.
“Ed you stupid son of a bitch, god did anwer your prayers. He sent me to help you. Now do what I say before you kill yourself.”

Oh, my dear God.

As a Christian, I believe that God gave man the knowledge to become doctors. As a mom of a type 1 diabetic, I believe that if I don’t get my child to one of these doctors, she will end up dead. Has he read any stories about diabetics who have died because they believed in faith-healing? I do not believe that God would want us to cut our own lives short like that.

I also believe that God gave us free will. It won’t be funny when he stands before St. Peter, wondering what he’s doing there and wondering why God didn’t heal him. Then St. Peter can say, “God sent you doctors. What more did you want?”

Oh, and a BG of 350 is not a borderline. No one should have a BG that high. If he wants to live, or not go blind, have kidney disease or any other of the bad things that can happen to an out-of-control diabetic, he needs to get looked at ASAFP.

bolding mine.
Why are you taking cinnamon? Or recomending others do it?

As for your BIL you might want to point out all the people who were praying for McCain and ask him how that worked out…

Maybe he’s using it to add flavor to his food as a replacement for sugar?

Take him to the Krispy Kreme closest to the hospital. Pump his ass so full of spun sugar his eyes make scrunching noises every time he blinks.

Dial 911 on your phone and hit the ‘send’ button when he hits the ground.

-Joe, helicopter and rowboat in one

Out of curiousity, what is blood glucose supposed to be?

I agree with Juliana. If God had wanted us to die of diabetes, he wouldn’t have given us the brains to figure out how to treat it.

Oh, and please tell me he has a good life insurance policy and his will is up to date. Might as well be prepared when the inevitable happens.

It’s supposed to be under 200, if you’re not fasting. I’ll assume his BIL wasn’t. (If you have done an 8 hour fast and then tested, it’s supposed to be around 60-100.)

Is this the dad of the relative of yours who had all her books taken away for refusing to be confirmed at Church?

-Kris

oh the link to an article about the effects of it on glucose levels was just for kicks then?

The goals for our daughter are 70-120 most of the time, but she can go as high as 180. She was 535 when she was diagnosed.

I wonder if you can get any of those ketone strips and check his urine? Sounds gross, I know: but if too much glucose has built up in his blood, it will dump into his urine. Diabetic ketoacidosis is not something to mess with. I know kids who have been in the hospital for weeks because of DKA.

He says he’s taking a lot of it. The key is whether that amounts to a supplemental dose or not, per the link.