My Mother the Antichrist (freakishly L-O-N-G)

WARNING: Length is tremendous! Don’t tread lightly!

The following information was something I typed out to some friends sometime last October…

My mother divorced my biological dad when I was 2. The story goes that he was abusive to her (who knows if this is true or not – I have no one to corroborate this with and knowing my mother (the one who brooks no bullshit from anyone), it does seem highly unlikely, but a good excuse just the same) and the first time he tried in turn to take it out on me, she left. Permanently.

More shit ensued, but that was the initial gist and we ended up living with my grandparents. That’s where we were when she met [step]dad. Mom was 24 (I think) and he was 37, divorced himself and living with his sister. I know what mom saw in him… stability, a way out of her parent’s house, someone who would provide enough money that she didn’t have to work and could play softball all the time, never have to keep up with or answer to, and, unfortunately, because dad never had much of an education (he only got through school until the 6th grade) and wasn’t very smart/mature in emotional matters, she could boss him around with ease. He, for the first time in his life, had a hot young thang interested in him, so that was good enough, especially since she said she loved him. Plus, his tiny track record with women was terrible and this seemed like a miracle thrown in his lap. So all these things (sigh) came to pass and they married when I was four.

Well, things quickly devolved from such an auspicious start to almost shear hell to begin with. He wasn’t any fun for her. He had no other interests/hobbies. He acted like an old man already. He didn’t like sex (or didn’t want enough of it or didn’t do it right or didn’t something, God knows what, but it was a complaint pertaining to that). In other words, he wasn’t enough. So by the time I was 9, she’d begun an affair that ultimately lasted 2+ years. Eventually, she blatantly told dad about it and then followed it up with a “just deal” basically. Then, when she chose to end it, an admonishment that she “never wanted to hear about it again for the rest of their lives together, because it was over now.” You know, she wasn’t gonna pay for something that was all his fault anyway. Oh, and the reason she ended it with the other man? Not because she loved dad or didn’t want him hurt or decided it was wrong. Nope. Because the other guy was getting too possessive and wanted to leave his wife and marry her. She didn’t want that… so it was adios to him as well.

Dad refused to believe she’d ever cheated on him even after he’d met Russell on several occasions and been told flat out. Same way dad handles everything he doesn’t understand, by heaping on a huge case of denial. But anyway, back to the saga. Life sputtered on. Mom dictated every last detail. She decided they wouldn’t have sex anymore. Nor would they share a bed. She made the decision to have my aunt move in with us while I was still in junior high. Dad had no say. When we all moved to east Texas from Dallas after my freshman year, again, it was her show. (See, it was too dangerous living in the big city and between her and auntie, well, the decision was obvious – dad’s, as usual, only option was to go along.)

Once we landed in Mineola, she told him to get which job. I know for certain they haven’t “been” together at all in that time (and that’s since '82.) Mom went where she wanted, when she wanted. She picked our house. Remodeled (or she has been doing so now for well over the past 20 plus years) the house/acreage/whatever when/how she wanted with no consideration whatsoever for him. Never asked him how he felt or what he wanted. She played softball (up until 5 years ago) every weekend and mostly 4 nights a week, all lasting pretty much year ‘round, or at least from late February through about the friggin’ weekend before Christmas. Sometimes he was allowed to go, but mostly, he was made to stay home and catch up on chores, take care of their menagerie (that mom was always the instigator of – how many and what kind of animals despite anyone else’s opposition) and whatnot.

In the last few years since she’s had her own business (in place of softball), she’s told him when and where he’d work with her and for how long, no matter if he’d already worked that day and then had to work the next after a three hour one-way trip. Also, he’s been able to retire now for 4 years, but she won’t “let him” because when he’s around her too much, he gets on her nerves (plus, I’m sure the extra money is a factor and he’s way cheap labor on her end). So poor dad keeps toiling away at fucking Wal*Mart doing the job of lazy teenage boys in their stupid Lawn & Garden department.

In all fairness, I gotta throw in here my idiotic behavior towards dad when I was younger. When they first married, I saw him as a threat to taking away my beloved mother. (God, was I delusional or what!!!) As I grew older, I simply viewed him with my mother’s eyes (and yes, I was a somewhat gentler carbon copy – hanging my head in shame here, but it was the truth). I hated his intrusions on my life. He tattled to her, which I now understand as him trying to NOT incur her wrath. He infringed on what fun times we did have. You see, my mother only developed a sense of obligation and duty sporadically, usually cropping up when we were about to go on vacation (never, amazingly, when we were planning something important to her – like anything to do with playing softball). So, what would take place, once I was old enough to voice my opinion, was… she would plan for us to go somewhere (usually Missouri ugh) and I’d beg for him not to go. Now I wasn’t completely being a monster about this. My reasoning had to do with the fact that she bitched at him constantly and he would be miserable because of it. The whole atmosphere would erode into this black cloud of tension. Fun times, those vacations that she insisted he take… yep, ‘because he worked so hard and deserved one :rolleyes: and blah, blah, blah, never meaning a Goddamn word of it. Maybe it was just to hurt everyone else, who knows? But even back then, I understood that we’d have much less hassle overall if he simply didn’t go along. Alas, this would be the one moment she’d swoop in with banners flying, on her soapbox and PRONOUNCE, “that wouldn’t be right to treat your daddy that way.” Making her assholish behavior seem like my bad manners and her sainthood of martyrdom firmly laid out for the whole world to “ooh” and “aw” over. Grrr. Soooo again, we’d take off and instantly dad would do something wrong (like not turn fast enough), then she’d light into his ass (secretly making her warped and twisted self so unbelievably pleased and happy, I’m sure) and we’d have a love-filled grand ol’ time.

Well, that’s been the history almost their entire relationship and his and mine up to '96. The only thing that has since changed, was dad and I patching things up (and becoming best buds) since I first became sick (see above date). Other than that, things have pretty much continued on in the norm for them… she barked and he asked how high to jump. Then when dad had a stroke in '99, mom said it was because she got tired of telling him what/when to eat (the initial problem that caused it) so she just decided to stop and make him be responsible for his own death if that was what caused it. Nice, huh? That’s the pretty picture of their life in a nut shell (coconut?), and all kinds of other little things that just echoes all the shit I’ve already told y’all above (if anyone is still with me at this point – sorry it’s so long) and much, much more. And now folks, this brings us to what the fuck she’s done now.

So I’m talking to Sybler (in case I haven’t gotten around to letting you guys know about her nickname, this is it… an appropriate combination of Hitler and Sybil – who she most resembles almost daily in her behavior and those stupid fucking multiple personality splits she thrives on so much) the other day on the phone and just for back ground information, she hasn’t been real thrilled with me of late. I think because I’ve been too involved with the new job and haven’t recuperated fast enough or well enough to suit her time table. Anyway, she starts telling me another one of her “pronouncements”… things in her life are GOING TO CHANGE. You know the kind, with the TM trademark behind it. That kind of thing. Me, being the total diametrical opposite of her, offers complete support, even though I didn’t know what it was yet or how utterly horrible it was.

The following exchange is probably paraphrased terribly due to my poor memory:

Me; “Mom, whatever you need to do to be happy, I think you should.”

Her; “Well, it may be one of those types of changes that not everyone is going to like.”

Me; “But your life is your own. You shouldn’t have to worry about other people’s feeling, etc. outside the norm of common decency. Besides it’s not like there are many folks in our family, apart from me and Jaceson, who else are you going to offend?”

…silence…

I try again. “Truly mom, if you want to quit your business (which had been almost defunct up until the last couple of weeks or so), move to Wyoming or spend every last bit of your money on something frivolous like running a cattery, it’s really up to you and my only job is to make sure you’re happy and healthy. I mean, I think about the only thing you could do that we would need to discuss is if you decided to leave/divorce dad.”

Her; “Um…”

Now it’s time for silence on my end.

Finally I manage, “Are things that bad?”

Her, channeling her ultimate smartass, “It’s not like things were ever any good to begin with.”

Me, thinking no shit Sherlock, “Yes mom, but that’s how it’s ALWAYS been. I’m assuming something had to have happened or be drastic enough of a change for you to now decide differently than you did when you both had chances to find other partners, when your whole life was ahead of you. Back then, you couldn’t do that to daddy, didn’t want to see anything bad happen to him and felt you could live with it as it were. It wasn’t right, etc., etc., What’s made the difference finally?”

“Nothing. (OMfreakingG! Can you believe anyone would give THAT as a reason? Except maybe Henry the fucking XIII!) Just, LIFE IS TOO SHORT.”

And that was pretty much the entire conversation. Except, I did still offer support for her to be happy. Gag. Anyway, she said she’d let me know more later, but I gather dad has no clue, as is her usual MO until she wants to spring something on someone. Which makes me weep that anyone could decide something of this magnitude on their OWN with consulting their partner.

Now, here’s the dilemma… Probably, dad would be much better off, at least in the arena of no longer having to deal with her and her never ending bullshit. Of that much I am absolutely certain. However, he never sees anything wrong with his life unless she bitches him out, and then it’s only temporary. Ergo, he loves her in his own way and is, if nothing else, comfortable with his life as is. Possibly even content. So now that she’s used him so that she didn’t have to work, so she could run all over creation doing whatever the hell she pleased whenever she desired, spent his money on bazillions of fix-it-up schemes, fucked around on him on the side while he held down the fort, and mostly just run rough-shod over his feelings, wants, needs and family (it’s because of her that he sees none of his sisters and family or my step-brother(s))… she has picked when she’s through with him. Now that he is 67 fucking years old!

I don’t know if she’ll follow through with this. Perhaps for once, her quest to emulate John Wayne will come shining through and she’ll pull herself up by the old bootstraps and figure it ain’t the way to behave. I’m torn on whether that’d be good or not. I’ve been so unimaginably upset over this, that she could pull this shit NOW, that I really don’t know what to think. Can you guys help me out? Is this going to be better if it happens? Worse for dad, who’s oh-so-pitifully inept at taking care of himself? (See above part of post where he was living with his sister after his first divorce – ha has never lived on his own/alone.) I want to beat the absolute hell out of her for being so-all-consuming selfish all the ever lovin’ time. And of course, it goes without saying, that I bet my aunt is just crawled up her ass with the ever-present “yes maam” responses in her show of co-dependant support. Makes me sick. Makes me hate her more than usual. Makes me want to write her ass off and tell HER that I am disowning her sorry, pathetic loser bitchself. Makes me want to kill.

SIGH. I already know that no matter what, if she does go through with it, I’ll take care of dad either way. If he wants to stay in Mineola, I’ll get him set up in a place of his own and make sure all goes well. That he sees his friends and has his bowling. If he wants to come to Greenville, same thing. We can even get him transferred to this Wal*Mart. Even with us filing bankruptcy, I will take care of it so she won’t have to be involved at all or waste any of her precious “time.” God, I’m just beside myself with asking how can someone do this and be so fucking inhuman???

Regardless, that’s all I’ve got for the time being. We haven’t discussed it again and it’s been several days. Maybe she’ll forget it, like she does everything else when something new comes along to change her focus, (IE: wanting to go on a cruise or starting her own restaurant) or piss her off. I’m kinda praying for that, I think.

But until I know for sure, I would like to close once more with this…

I HATE HER FREAKIN’ GUTS!!

Thank you for listening to me rant.


That was then, this is now (props to S.E. Hinton)…

Now, as of tonight’s conversation (and I promise I’ll keep this part really short, or at least more so than the above), she’s made good on her threat. They are separating, according to her. She just dropped the bomb on him today, out of the clear blue. She doesn’t know how soon Dad’ll be out of the house (she said she hopes within the next couple of days) and has know idea of where he’ll be going or what he’ll be doing. And she doesn’t care. Not about his age. Not that he has no one close by. Not that he’s NEVER been able to take care of himself. Not that he has been completely (necessarily?) delusion to their whole relationship forever. Not that he’s poorly educated and can barely read. Not that he’s put up with all her shit and so much more. Not to fucking anything.

She even tried to tell me that there was no point in talking to him myself (thought I’d stir up trouble, I guess, or otherwise, just wanted to be the dick that she is) – even though, I just wanted to make sure he was all right for the moment and let him know that, despite how screwed-up everything in my life is and us being poorer than a church mouse, he can live here. Always. All he did was put on his best “normal” voice and just kept saying “ok”, but I know he has to be dazed and numb. God, help him please. And me too, that I don’t strangle her ass.

How could she!?!! He was good enough when she just wanted to stay her lazy ass at home the whole time I was in school (yep, I definitely needed her there to make cupcakes when I was 17) so she wouldn’t have to work. He was good enough to support her lifestyle choices and let her do whatever she wanted, whenever she wanted (sorry, I know I keep saying that over and over). He was good enough to continue working for Wal*Mart past retirement age because that’s what she wanted. And he’s been good enough to do exactly as he’s told… feed her Goddamned four thousand animals, work for her company without much compensation, be bossed around, made to feel inferior and fun of, talked down to and told how to do every last little thing like he has no brain in his head or is 4 years of age. Oh, and doing without sex for all this time, I’m sure was his idea as well. Yep, he was good enough all right.

Can I just say again how much I fucking hate her? Or that I wish a meteor wipes her smug ass out? I so wish she was permanently out of my life. I want a divorce from HER! And, I swear to God, if she callously intentionally hurts and humiliates him, with nary a care, then this may indeed finally be the straw that broke the camel’s back. I will not tolerate her being mean to him just because she can. I won’t let her break him likes she broke me. The bitch.

God, I need to go break something. Like her freakin’ face.

And sadly, no, I don’t feel better. What the fuck is my poor dad going to do?

Agh! I didn’t mean to screw up the formatting!! How the hell did I do that? Sorry. Shouldn’t post while in a homicidal rage. :frowning:

I honestly don’t know what to tell you… the only thing I can think to say is do exactly what you said you will. Have your dad move in with you and try to cut your mother out of your (and his) life as possible.

I wish you and your dad the best of luck in coping with this.

Thank you Aesiron. I really didn’t know if anyone would respond to this, considering it had turned into an opus the size of War and Peace. So I really, really appreciate your kind words. I’m hoping we come through this alright too.

The odd thing about your story is that I have less contempt for your nutty, abusive and manipulative mother than for your masochistic, easily bullied, sad sack step-father. Trust me when I tell you that passive, easily manipulated sad sacks can be just as frustrating and emotionally oppressive to deal with as aggressive nut cases. When they wind up together it’s a dance they both asked for.

I think you need to distance yourself from both of them as quickly as possible. Don’t try to “save” your step-dad it will only end in tears.

Oh, no astro, you are completely on the money that Dad being passive and easily manipulated is beyond frustrating. But I don’t think he was always (at least I hope not) like this. She brow-beat it out of him. And trust me, she can do it like no one else.

OTOH, I could if need be, walk away from her, but I can’t him. He has no one else.

Contempt for one, disgust for another.

hopefool, are we siblings? The resemblance to my parents is amazing. I had always felt sorry for my dad, who seemed so easygoing and laid back. All my mom seemed to do was bitch at him all day because he was a “lazy, good-for-nothing.” My memories of her are as a bitter, shrieking harpy. Then she died and I had to deal with my dad. Yep, he was easygoing and laid back all right–to the point of a coma patient. Deadlines for things would come and go and he just couldn’t be bothered to deal with anything–and he’d always been like that. He passed away three years after she did.

So, which came first–the lazy good-for-nothing, or the bitter, shrieking harpy? I have no idea, but I do know what it was like growing up in that household and it wasn’t fun. I can certainly sympathize with your situation, but as far as advice goes, all I can say is to try to find a way to love her anyway, or get as far away from her as possible. Of course, it’s easy for me to give advice because I’m pretty far removed from the situation I grew up with, so take it for what it’s worth. Your dad sounds like a caring man, though, and I’d bet that helping him would be good for both of you. Good luck!

Ugh. My parents are flipped on the domineering/doormat spectrum.

My father was an abusive prick and my mother lived in Denial. It was decorated all pretty like especially for her. (I call this her Ostrich Style of Coping) I no longer speak to my father at all and while I have tried to be as supportive of my mother (she too has no one) as I can - I have no respect for her and she still has no spine. In the beginning (after the divorce) I tried to see her as another of my father’s victims but as time passes I have a harder time dealing with how she refuses to do anything more than mourn an unhealthy, miserable, abusive marriage.

Oh and I even call my father Sibyl too!

Have you considered going to counselling yourself, Hopefool? You’ve got a whole mess of baggage dumped on you by your parents (mostly your incredibly spoiled mother, I would say), and perhaps you need someone to help you figure out how to get rid of some of the excess weight.

Hopefool, my heart goes out to you. You are in a Bad situation…and its going rip your heart out before its over. I have no magic answer for you (wish I did). Your Mom & Dad are going to dance this dance til they’re dead. She may Divorce him, but when the chips are down for her, she’ll order him back to her.

And he’ll go.

There’s an old prayer about accepting what you cannot change…and I won’t violate copyright by Googling & printing it here. (I have enough troubles without solicitors from King James chasing after me…sheesh!) But your parents are a situation where it applies, however. You cannot change them.
Now here’s the totally useless advice section.
Stop Reading…you Must Not Take My Advice: it is Forbidden. It never works anyway. So, since you’ve stopped reading, here it is:
Change your phone to a non-pub number. Move to a different apartment or house. Change your email. Only tell your friends, your job, and companies that you do your personal business with. Cut all ties with family and build a strong group of friends to share holidays with etc. Cut your family out of your life because they are still hurting you. And Worse: they’re trying to draw you back in.

See? I told you it was Rubbish…

Growing up, my mom and I had a…vocal…relationship. If one was unhappy about something, the other one knew it! When I married my husband he was a rather quiet guy. One night, he pissed me off about something, so I told him about it vocally. He sat there quietly, not saying a word. I asked him if he had anything to say and he said no and got up and went into the living room. I was so furious. I was geared for yelling back. I was not used to someone just sitting mute and the more I thought about it, the more steamed I got. At that point I was hoping he didn’t come in to talk because I was so mad that if he had said the wrong thing, I would have decked him (and I am firmly against spouses laying hands on each other that way)!

After I had calmed down the next day, I asked him why he just sat there and didn’t respond. He told me that when he was growing up, if his mother started on anyone, it just made it worse if you said anything so he learned to basically duck and wait for it to blow over. I explained to him to survive in our home (we were living with my mother) he couldn’t just sit there mute. He needed to learn to yell back, if necessary. I’m happy to say that he did acquire the talent (it came in handy when our daughter became a teenager!)

Hopefool, I’m willing to bet that your father learned this behavior as a survival tactic as a kid and that your mother may not have had to brow-beat it out of him, but selected him because she knew she could get away with this shit with him.

Don’t mean to hijack, but this reminds me SO much of a situation I was part of a few years ago. I don’t hang around with these people anymore.

Back in the days of BBSes I met this girl (initials AD) who invited me to join her D&D campaign. She lived about 30 miles away, not a bad drive on weekends for me. The other players seemed like nice people. At first. There was one guy in the game named Lewis who sounds just like hopefool’s dad—an underachieving patsy. The other players were constantly yelling at him. When he wasn’t around, they harped about what an idiot he was and kept telling stories about how he personally and purposely fucked up their lives by being such a hopeless moron.

AD frequently stuck Lewis with babysitting her kid when she had to run some errand or another, then scream at him when she got back if he forgot to sweep out the fucking cupboard or something. Nobody stuck up for him. They all joined in the Greek Chorus to shitpile Lewis.

This was the kicker: she sent him out to get some groceries so she could cook dinner and desert. I heard this rant shortly after he got back…“LEWIS! WHY THE HELL DID YOU BRING BACK GRANULATED SUGAR??? I SPECIFICALLY ASKED YOU TO BRING ME BACK CONFECTIONER’S SUGAR! I’VE GOT SHELVES FULL OF GRANULATED SUGAR! WHY WOULD I WANT ANY MORE GRANULATED SUGAR??? YOU DID THIS ON PURPOSE! YOU ALWAYS DO THIS TO PURPOSELY ANNOY ME!!!” Lewis just stood there like a deer stuck in the headlights.

I finally had enough and e-mailed and told her I couldn’t stand seeing them treating Lewis in this manner. I told her it was unfair to belittle him so savagely after he was willing to do her so many favors and ask for nothing in return. She got all apologetic in her response and told me she lets Lewis stay with her as much as possible because he’s got such a horrible home life. This is an improvement? Next time I got together with them AD’s posse assured me they loved Lewis and were just trying to provoke him into improving himself. AD’s sister told me “We got the boy out of the trailer park. Now we’re trying to get the trailer park out of the boy.”

I came to the realization that these were really selfish, thin-skinned, rotten people stuck in their little back woods trailer park soap opera world. Like I said, I don’t hang around with them anymore.

Last year or so I got a call from AD’s now husband. He said that Lewis had married some girl who was a real B-I-ITCH and wouldn’t let him hang around with them anymore. Heh, that woman’s doing him the biggest favor of his life!

hopefool, for what it’s worth, you have my condolences.

Thank you all so much for wading through that LONG ASS mess to reply. Having fitfully slept through the night, I suppose I’m ready for round two when I’ve got to find things out from Sybler (like if she is planning on divorcing him and if so, making sure that he gets things taken care of – like taking her out of his will and changing his stocks’ beneficiary), so I’ll use all this good advice to fortify myself for the hell that I’m dreading shortly.

To everyone in order…

smiling bandit - I can certainly understand others’ perceiving the situation that way (although, contempt at my mother is more than justified no matter what), hell, I would too if I were on the outside looking it. But suffice it to say that what I’ve gleamed from his past that he used to be different and, at least, more assertive. I just think a whole life-time of shitty-ness has worn him down to, well, nothing. It may be disgusting, but his heart is still his own and in the right place. I will stand by him no matter what and hope, that maybe without the constant negativity, I can garner him some help, confidence and peace. That’s the least I can do.

lauramarlane - Isn’t it amazing that you think you are the only one, but you find out time and time again that any situation, despite its uniqueness, is similar to someone else’s. They’ve been there, done that, almost the same to a striking degree. But I agree that dealing with my dad, in his present incarnation (the one he’s probably had ever since I’ve known him) isn’t going to be a piece of cake. He is overly simple minded in his thought processes, which makes taking even the smallest leaps of deduction almost impossible. He has no initiative, out of fear, I’m assuming. He wants so little because he’s afraid that any desire can be used against him as a weakness. So, helping him, in whatever fashion, is going to be hard. But he deserves it after years and years of abuse. Hell, he deserves it anyway, because unlike Satan herself, he IS a good person. Thank you for sympathizing and the good luck. I’ll need it.

tanookie - I’ve read quite a bit of what you went through dealing with your father and can I just say here that you’ve turned into an incredibly well-adjusted lady? I’m so proud, vicariously, that you didn’t let him destroy your soul and that living well has been your best revenge. Good for you! Also, what you mention passed between you and your mother after the divorce, I also fear. Since dad has been delusion all this time, he may still not want to see her in a bad light or that she’s done anything wrong, or heaven forbid, that he wants her back if he can only <whatever>. I want him healthy if he has to go, not stuck in some sick cycle of her own creation that he’s not smart or emotionally mature enough to get out of. Wish me strength and thank you for sharing.

featherlou - Since I’m such a newbie, I guess my splattering all my personal woes all over the Dope hadn’t gotten around as much as it seemed to me (God, I felt like I was everywhere!)… but needless to say, I am/have been in therapy since a nervous breakdown in '96. So fortunately, that base is covered. And you are certainly right about the “mess” and the “baggage”, the only bad part being that I can’t seem to ever get it completely dealt with. ::: sigh ::: Perhaps an invasion of the body snatchers would help, you think? Thank you though for thinking of my mental health in all this. That was incredibly nice of you.

quietman1920 - Sadly, you are probably right in your assessment. My mother could turn his whole world upside down solely for her own amusement and then when she wanted or needed something from him, like you said, order him back and he’d coming running and never say another word about it. I know that’s something we’ll all have to take into consideration dealing with his feelings over that and be prepared if the inevitable happens. Until then, I don’t know what else to do but try my best to be supportive of him and help him in whatever way that he needs. I love him so and my heart breaks that such a cold-hearted reason can lie at the bottom of this bitch’s decision. “Just because”, my ass. She makes me so fucking tired and hate-filled (which, BTW, I’ve never been in my entire life).

About your other advice… it is SPOT on. You know I can’t do it though (at least not right not), so I’ll just keep it simmering back on the back burner for if/when she makes me choose between the two. Because if she does make that mistake, she’ll lose by a landslide. And I have no idea if she’ll regret it or not, nor do I care, but if she’s never personally pushed me over the edge for what all she’s put me through, she can do it on his behalf. Thank you for trying to help anyway. God, all that you posted just came across as incredibly sweet.

cleosia - Man, you nailed that one! My husband and I went through the exact same experience. Me learning that mortal combat was the only way to survive, him that ignoring the lunacy was his saving grace. Put us together and initially, it was some doozy of a tangle trying to work things out. Eventually though, I realized that raging on like a lunatic was counterproductive, mean and intentionally inflammatory, so I’ve come more 'round to his way of thinking. And to vouch for him, he’s become better at standing up for himself.

That said, I know my dad’s first wife was a whoring around, nasty ass, trashy shrew who had no problem also putting him in his place. I don’t know much about his life growing up, except that it was bleak and stern and, at about age 12 or 13, he left his biological family to go work on a farm for someone else. So that couldn’t be good and I’d suspect that you are right in that all of this has been his version of “survival mode”. Furthermore, I also don’t doubt that my mother specifically picked him just because he seemed an easy, manipulated target. Much better to be totally domineering with and get every way and whim. So, you are spot on with your analysis.

Knowed Out - God, that was some frightening reading because it sounds exactly like what goes on in their household verbatim. With the added caveat that my aunt constantly backs my mother in her attacks so it’s two against one and all or nothing. Those scenarios could be directly lifted from any one of millions of interactions between them.

She’ll tell him to do something. He’ll try to do it EXACTLY like she said. She’ll go nutso because of his not finessing some piddly-ass detail and then sparks fly for days. Which degenerates into her calling him stupid and berating him like a child with “you’ll do exactly as your told – I’ll even write it down for you so you can screw up” type things. It’s surreal. And I agree that Lewis finally got free. God bless his new wife. One can only hope that he’s now allowed some dignity and has learned to respect himself. I pray for that for my dad.

Lord Ashtar - A simple thank you to you sir. That was very nice of you to offer me that. Because I really feel I need it, more and more so in the upcoming days ahead.

Lastly, again to everyone who’s read along, thank you for that. I really didn’t mean for it to turn into a novelization, I just HAD to vent or else I was going to come unleashed and then the next thing you’d have seen was a Doper on the news. So, thanks too for letting me rant.

Right now, this thread is the only thing keeping me going and sane.

God, I love this place.

God forgive me, but even more, I hate my mother. With the fire of a thousand hells. Right now, I hope she rots and her flesh is rendered by buzzards while Dueling Banjos plays in the background in her honor. Disgusting psycho bitch.

I wish you strength and luck! Remember all you can do is be there to support him, he will have to find his backbone on his own … you can’t beat it into him :slight_smile: as I learned after too many disgusted conversations with my mother.

I’m still amazed she got divorced but she blames me for it and wishes she were still married to him. She won’t admit it straight out but it comes through shiningly in the guilt trips she tries to heap on me. “I’m only calling you with this because I’m hoping to not have to involve your father.”

Whatever happens don’t lose yourself in their battles.

I’ve always wondered who my sisters meant when they were talking about “Sybler.” I’m still not sure it isn’t the real name of a friend I’ve never met, but, apparently, at least one of them apparently thinks a lot alike you.

While I can’t say I know what it’s like right now, my mother just made her fiancee sell his house (put on the market about 3 months ago, but took dealt with the realto herself and took an offer she liked), but she isn’t ready to live with him right yet. She’s also asked him to declare bankruptcy and rename his business after her maiden name. This is the most healthy relationship I expect either of us to have with any of her boyfriend, because she has gone through ten years of blaming breakups on my being an asshole to men I’ve never met, and most of the time, have never heard of until she comes home crying and cursing at me.
I’ll have an idea what you’re going through in a decade or so, but through having put up with something half as bad for a fraction of the time, I wish you luck in surviving your mother’s own personal hell.
And following up tanookie’s advice, if you do somehow get sucked in, just remember that she can only take it out on your stepfather as long as he’s around, and you’re going to be a lot less miserable if you yell as much as she does.

Once again, thanks tanookie. I so see where you’re coming from, because I do think in dad’s heart he will lament the loss of this abomination. However, outwardly, he’ll probably never say anything, (unlike your mom – which, I just can’t imagine the nerve of her blaming you! OMG, how fucked up is that!?!!) and he’ll certainly never place responsibility anywhere. It’ll be just one of those things he feels he has to endure. God help him.

However, I promise to try and not “lose myself” in this. It’ll be hard though, because no one will fight for him but me.

::: sigh of infinite sadness :::

Iacob_Matthew - My God, your story horrified me because I soooo see you in my situation before too long. You poor thing. Would it be best for you to bow out gracefully now? Or hell, just run for the freakin’ hills? May you have lots of strength in your upcoming situation as well.

For mine, I do see my father’s life as improving once away from Attila. And no, I don’t yell anymore ever, because it does no good when it’s directed at a brick wall with no heart. So, I’ll do as previously stated and just be there for him in any way possible, doing what I can to help, be supportive and encouraging and a shoulder to lean on. I just am so disgusted at her that I don’t think my feelings will ever be mended. But I do thank you both, (again tanookie), for talking this through with me. I’m so grateful for this outlet right now.

Now, I have finally gotten her on the phone to hash out some of the particulars on dad’s behalf and it’s just as grim as I feared. She plans on taking/keeping everything (IE: the house and all it’s belongings, etc.) and only giving him what he’ll absolutely have to have to furnish, I suppose, a one bedroom apartment. Whoopee! He gets to keep his own bed and dress. Isn’t that ever so genteel of her? And his truck, because I’m sure he’ll still need that to be in service at her beck and call. Like that’ll stop once they’re divorced. :mad:

Furthermore, when making the point about the only “right thing to do”, to the person who is self-proclaimed to NEVER LIE (for those just now tuning in, that is said “mother”), that the correct course of action if she is indeed retaining everything would be to allow daddy to change his beneficiaries as he sees fit. To give to his sister or his sons by previous marriage. Nope, she says. She doesn’t think so (although, her and my aunt – not my dad – haven’t discussed this yet!) because after 30+ years, she is entitled and besides, he won’t care. So I argue, to them both (her and my aunt), that if you leave insurance and pension out of it, at least it would be a wash on his stock options. You know, she keeps all that there is, he gets to do what he wants with that when he dies. Still, she says, she may disagree, because he won’t care. Gah, NOT. HER. FUCKING. BUSINESS. at this point, if they divorce if he gives it to a hooker or throws it out the goddamned window as he drives down the interstate! My last attempt at rebuttal is, if she benefits from his waiver of property now, then it’s only right for such an “upstanding” person as her, to let him have his own decision in this. Otherwise, he’ll just agree to anything she says.

So, how do you stand up for someone who will refuse to stand up for themselves? Because if it comes down to it, he WILL give her everything and she’ll take it, without losing an ounce of sleep or batting an eye of conscience. If I try to fight on his behalf, he’ll get mad at me for it and won’t want it anyway. What to do? What to do? :frowning:

I mean, besides a contract, that is. If there is something I’m missing, I’m open to suggestions. Or reasonable offers, if they’re cheap enough. Maybe the Patriot Act could label her a threat and wipe her out on the government’s dime, ya think? :stuck_out_tongue:

God, I’m just so tired of this hateful and evil person.

If I couldn’t spew it all out here, I’d be going more insane than usual… so thank you again, SDMB, for offering such a valuable service. It’s appreciated very much.

I think I’ll go cry for a while now.

This may be a hijack, but…
Has your dad consulted a divorce attorney?

IANAL, but sounds like he might need one, given both their history and that your mom is expecting him to just move out of the “marital home” and leave.

Pursuading him to do this might be the best thing you can to do help him in the long run.

And a lawyer might be able to deliver the spine that your dad doesn’t seem to be able to muster.

With all the emotional stuff going on, it’s sometimes hard to see or attend to the “business” side of a divorce, but it shouldn’t be ignored, in the interest of the long run.

And, hopefool, for yourself, I’d say: let your dad know you’ll be there to provide support and even advice (if you’re comfortable doing that), but that’s different from making their problems into yours. In the end they do make their own choices and are responsible for them.

Just my $.02 as a never-married person, but one who’s seen my parents go through, collectively, 4 divorces.

Wireless I was just thinking as I read hopefool’s last post that I hope he gets his own lawyer in this!

If she is divorcing him that ends her entitlement to anything that is his. I feel your frustration in all of this :frowning:

All I can say is hug