I shall think twice about writing something negative about Israel again.
I suggest that we close the pit instead of just closing my thread.
I thougth this was a board for heated debates, a board we could let out some of our frustrations!
I’m not surprised if I have hurt anyones feelings, but this is the pit.
A lot of people get a bit hurt when they read some of the threads here, but we are adults, or…
This is not fair
I hope that the Administrator/moderator will open my thread again
I suspect that Kyla and some of the others gave me replies so the thread would be closed.
They where accusing me of being a nazi, called me a worm etc. I suspect that their intention was to get my thread closed by the moderator.
I had a thoroughly nasty response in the hopper and ready to go, but the last thread got locked. So, instead of chewing over some stale old insults, I’ll do you a favor. I hope you appreciate it.
from the former thread:
Here’s a history lesson.
Your pathetic mangling of the language aside, here’s the story (the Straight Dope, if I may be so bold) on your “lack of trouble” with the Arabs. If I get the details wrong, fellow Dopers, let me know (not you, QUINCY. I wouldn’t trust your “facts” if you told me the sun was going to rise in the morning,) but this is the spirit of the thing.
Back when Israel was a Roman province, you couldn’t swing a cat in Jerusalem without hitting someone who claimed to be the True Son of the House of David. In other words, everybody and their uncle claimed to be the Messiah. Most of them were crackpots, and were not taken seriously. Some of them shook the ground a bit more. You know one of them as Jesus (if he ever actually existed, but that’s another topic.) Another one of these “Messiahs” (and I apologize, but I don’t remember his name) came along a bit later, and took advantage of the instability in the Empire at the time to raise quite a following. For a while, they kicked some Roman ass. They killed Legionnaires, they burned barracks, and generally raised hell. Finally, as was inevitable, Rome got her shit together, and decided to “pacify” the rebellion. They sent Legions in, and every Jew they could catch was crucified out of general principle. Then (and this is the important part. Pay attention.), to add insult to injury, the Romans sowed the seeds of eternal dissent by taking control of the province away from the Jews and renaming the whole place after the Israelis worst historical nemeses: the Philistines. In Latin, this came out as Terra Palestinia.
Palestine. Then, in 1948, after centuries of Muslim control over the region, a new Jewish homeland is established there. War was inevitable.
Simplified, yes, and I usually hate generalism, but I’m tired and pissed off. I know I skipped the Crusades. I know I skipped the Ottoman Empire. Just wanted you to know I’m with ya.
Thus you have the seeds of the conflict that rages to this day. And as for the Arabs not having a historical problem with the Jews, hello, the ones in question are militant Muslims, the same as the Palestinians(who may or may not be militant in principle, but are feeling a bit put-upon because they think they have more right to the land than the Jews. Of course there’s going to be trouble. Try not to be obtuse.
And at least TRY to make some damned sense next time, and avoid spouting off based on half-formed conjecture.
[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by Ogre *
**
who do you think created these militant muslims ? USA and the Israel comes to my mind.
And they have more right to this land than the jews. The jews can’t claime that this is their land just because their ancestors lived there some 1800-2000 years ago. And that god gave it to them.
The Palestinians have lived there for several centuries and there is no way that they should leave. If anyone should get out of this area it should be the jews.
People who are pro-Israel have lot in common with fanatic serbs. They (you) look more and more like those people.
I think that you should consentrate more about the last century insted of what happend 2000-3000 years ago.
Oh please.
What you should be thinking twice about is the way you go about expressing that criticism. As I said in the previous thread “Israel, like any political entity, is subject to criticism. And such a criticism need not be considered an indictment of all Jews, or even all Israelis.” If NATO’s policy towards Israel is so unfair to you then descibe specific aspects that irk you. The combination of your vague hit-and-run OP and your Jew York comment indicated that you were more interested in slipping in a quick attack on Jews than providing a well-thought out rant about international politics.
This is a board for squashing ignorance. As other posters have demonstrated, you are woefully ignorant about just about every aspect of Isreal’s history, culture and people. So we squashed the thread.
Posting in the Pit doesn’t give you an excuse for offending people. You can post expecting people to disagree with you, but you should never post expecting people to be offended by your inflammatory slurs.
Statements like “jews [can] never get along with any people” and that “The jews know this and use [the holocaust] for all it’s worth” indicate that you can’t comprehend the difference between the political policies of Israel and the motviations, desires and thoughts of individual members of the Jewish faith.
Simply put, you are extremely ignorant. So I have no pity for you or your locked thread.
Oh and I plan on eventually closing this thread, too. Soon. I’m keeping this thread open for the time being purely to allow discussion about why we closed your thread, in case anyone needs further clarification or wishes to discuss our policy on this sort of stuff.
This is not an excuse to continue your rant about “the jews”, Quincy. Further rants will only expedite the death of this alread dooomed thread.
Quincy- it is possible to have severe problems with the Isreali government, and still not be anti-semitic. After all, some of the very far-left members of the Knesset are very vocal in their dislike for the current administration. It is possible to be Anti-zionist, and still not be anti-semitic- some Jews are “anti-zionist” (they beleive that there should not be a homeland until it is time to rebuild the Temple). We can certainly argue both positions here- in fact we have argued pro & con Palestine vs Isreal many times*. But you see, you are neither of these. You are a racist bigot. The comment about the jews in NY proved that. We don’t debate with bigots- it is a waste of bandwidth. Go away.
If not- please, moderators- ban this bigot. I’ll owe you one.
*Altho since the PLOs thugs bombed a freakin schoolbus, it is real hard for me to have any sympathy at all for those terrorist murderers.
The USA and Israel have nothing to do with it. The Muslim philosophy in question here is Shi’a. I suggest you look it up. Stop jerking your knee all over the goddamn place, and do some thinking.
Says who? QUINCY? Well, praise be! You’ve just solved the whole mess. Why don’t you just tot on over and explain that to the Israelis?
Bullshit. They certainly can. The way they see it, the establishment of Israel in 1948 is a long-overdue correction of a wrong that was suffered by the Jews a long damn time ago. That sort of thing doesn’t just fade away.
That knee is jerking again. Who says? You? The Jews (and a lot of other people) see it differently.
This is idiotic baiting. It doesn’t even deserve a response.
I just wasted all that time enlightening you, and this is the best response you can manage? Sheesh. QUINCY, read carefully. Nothing exists in a vacuum. History is one vast piece. Everything that happens has a hand in shaping future events. If you don’t know the history (especially of this area, where the conflict goes back for so long), you don’t know shit. You’re repeating retarded sound bites and slogans. There can be no analysis of a current event without knowing what led to it. Despite your assertion to the contrary, the seeds of the Middle East conflict were not sown in the last century.
And if we rate it “R_dawg” then it will be for idiots only! Hey, I like this system!
My goodness.
Quincy’, what the hell is wrong with you? You can’t seriously expect to get away with all this crap. Read Ogre’s history lesson. It is, besides entertaining, 100% true.
As for offending people and comparing them to “millitant Serbs” and whatnot: I have a sneaking suspicion those words are gonna cost you dearly.
It is entirely possible to debate the Israel-Palestina situation on these boards. It is also entirely possible to differ in opinion. It is, however, NOT allowed to insult people based on their religion or ethnic heritage, Quincy’.
Rdawg seems to be back again as well. My, what a surprise. Kindly ignore this idiot, people. We’re working on a permanent solution, so to speak.
Wow. He’s got me there. Such reasoning boggles the mind.
I’m not “pro-Israel”, but I’m not an antisemite either.
And to clarify my remark in the other thread about your compatriots QUINCY’’’:
I’m real glad you never divulged your nationality. Now I can see why you are so completely paranoid about it. I’m glad I don’t know (don’t know for sure - I’ve got a real good idea though) where you come from, so I can’t hold it against anyone. Actually, I feel sorry for your country(wo)men, for having to live with you.
I’m not waiting for an administrator; I’m banning you myself. Any thread containing one of your posts is forever closed to me.
Loser.
P.S. The term Eurotrash has never been more appropriate. Take it from a European.
P.P.S. Kyla, if you made the mistake, like I did, of reading this thread: do yourself a favor and ignore this piece of shit. Tuba’s right: he’s not a Nazi. He’s just a pathethic little racist motherfucker. He ain’t worth it.
Sorry, Coldy. But it’s like a car accident. Also, for some reason, I am actually enjoying it. But I’ll try to behave.
Mr. Quincy (how appropriate that the word “Quincy” is an obscure euphemism for “toilet”)…
You know nothing.
You speak from ignorance.
Your knowledge on any subject is zero.
Now, pick any ONE of those three, and prove it wrong. Please try. It’d be an amusing excercise in futility.
Or you can prove it right and continue on with the bullshit that’s about to get you banned.
The israelis had it comming. I didn’t feel sorry for those who where killed at all.
This was a just revenge.
Looking back at all the palestinan kids who have been killed I’m only sorry that no kids on the bus died.
30-40 palestinian kids have been murdered the last 5-6 weeks.
Bye now. It’s been fun, really.
Quincy, it was an… interesting experience knowing you. But me thinks you have posted your last post. Dos dedos, mis Amigo.
This has to be one of the most disgusting things I have ever read. I have no love for the Israeli state but to regret that innocent children weren’t killed is so fucking horrible I cannot comprehend how stupid you are.
Be gone you ignorant hatefilled bigot.
You sick fuck.
Goodbye, and good riddance.
That’s the most boring thing I’ve read this week. Do you honestly think that such a blatant attempt to shock and upset is any more effective than a child’s temper tantrum. What a dull little tosser you are.
Why did the song “Some fools never learn” come to mind upon reading this thread ?
Oh now I know why, Quincy and R_dawg have posted here !