My old friend just went to jail for killing his baby. how would you feel?

mister_mistro, what your friend did was commit first, maybe second degree murder of a child by compressive_asphyxia.

Here are some things I’d like you to understand about what your friend did:

  • causing someone to die by preventing them from breathing does not take seconds. It takes minutes. Anywhere from three to seven minutes. If this does not sound like a long time to you, I suggest you get a pot of ice water, put your hand in it and hold it there as long as you can. Most people can only do it for a minute or two, because the cold hurts so much.

  • suffocation hurts. Maybe you’re not aware of this. The need for air is referred to in medical terminology as “air hunger”, and it is a thousand times stronger than food hunger. During the Holocaust, when the Nazis murdered Jews by piping in carbon monoxide or cyanide gas into a closed room filled with people, afterwards, those who opened the doors found the entire doorway filled with trampled, dead bodies - people who had climbed on and crushed each other in a desperate bid to get some air. During suffocation, people claw hard enough to tear their nails out. They froth at the mouth. Their hearts beat so hard that tiny blood vessels burst from the blood pressure.

Your friend didn’t “hug” his child until his child died.

Your friend squeezed his son’s chest until the little boy’s lungs could not draw air in, and he did that for a minimum of three minutes - 180 seconds, twice the time most people can keep their hand in a bucket of ice water. He did it while his little boy struggled, while his little boy’s lips turned blue and then purple, while bright red dots of blood appeared under the skin of his face, neck, chest, and arms.

While his son was dying - while your friend squeezed his chest so hard he couldn’t breathe - that little boy most likely vomited, wet his pants, and emptied his bowels. These are all last ditch attempts by the body to escape death by distracting the killer, or they are symptoms of death as the body loses control over itself. I wouldn’t be surprised if that little boy were crying the whole time as well.

And the whole time your friend was doing this - purposefully squeezing his son’s chest so he couldn’t breathe, feeling his baby struggle, seeing his baby turn blue, seeing red spots show up on his baby’s face, arms, chest, and neck, feeling his baby vomit, pee, and shit his pants - he admits he was thinking about how his wife had done mean things to him, and how his child wouldn’t take a nap.

mister_mistro, your friend is not the scum of the earth. He is a monster.

If it were up to me, I would take him into a tiled room, have him kneel, and I personally would put a gun to the back of his head and pull the trigger. Then I would run water through a hose to clean his brains off the walls and the floor and wash them down the drains. I’d take what was left of his body out where the coyotes and ravens and other carrion eaters could benefit from his body and leave his bones out to bleach in the sun, unmarked, and hopefully forgotten forever.

And it would still be more than he deserved.

Points we can all agree on:

Killing babies is bad, mmkay? Don’t kill babies. (Thanks gonzomax)

Killing a baby is really no worse than killing an adult (except in rare self-defense or war or other exceptions), but for some innate reason, feels more terrible.

Otherwise good people can do horrible things, even baby killers have normal interests and friendships.

And the most important point we can agree on: if you don’t want babies to be murdered, stop making babies!

So it’s fair to take it out on the kid? Jesus Christ, woman, what the FUCK is wrong with you?

mister_mistro, your friend is one fucked up dude.

Oh god. I’m sorry I read that. Especially because I have relatives who were probably murdered like that in the camps. That poor little boy.

I think we should all agree to stop interacting with her when she writes things that no sane human being would think.

Don’t engage it Guin. All that will happen is that you will end up getting warned while it continues yanking on your chain.

I’m sorry, LavenderBlue. I probably should have private messaged him. I didn’t realize I knew that much about the subject until I wrote those paragraphs in the hopes that he would understand exactly what his friend had done - that it wasn’t like hugging a stuffed animal absentmindedly or even slapping a child in a fit of anger. It was something that took an active decision and then the . . . ability to continue doing so in the face of that little boy’s suffering for an extended period of time.

In the time since I wrote that I realized I have completely lost my good mood and am teetering dangerously over a very bad depression. My imagination is all too vivid in these instances. I would not inflict that on you for the world.

mister_mistro, do the world a favor. If you don’t understand at this point how what your friend did was wrong, and how people are be absolutely repelled, disgusted, and enraged by his action, do not EVER have children.

EVER.

phouka - that was chilling.

And yes, the “friend” is a monster. No matter that he might have been a fun, regular guy as a friend - I couldn’t maintain a relationship with anyone who did something like this to his own little boy.

The only possible excuse for it is some sort of psychotic break, but that doesn’t appear to be the case. It was an abbhorent, unforgivable thing to do.

No apologies needed. Yours was a very well written and informative post that eloquently expressed what many of us are thinking about this case. I am sorry you feel bad because of what I wrote in response. That was not my intention. I have a baby so I probably should not have opened this thread in the first place as I am probably hypersensitive and hormonal.

What this guy did and what ZPG wrote in response are almost too awful for most people to contemplate.

You have to triage the situation. If the birth of one baby destroys multiple lives, I weigh it as a positive if that baby doesn’t exist.

I thought killing people was suppose to be bad, mkay.

It takes two to tango. He should have kept it zipped. MURDER ain’t the answer, sweet cheeks.

Apparently adoption is evil, but murder isn’t. Good sweet evil Beavis.

That actually makes it more likely that both will break.

I’m not so sure about that. I feel like the death of a child is objectively more tragic than the death of an adult simply because the child has had less years of living, and many more missed opportunities for the joys life has to offer, before having their life cut short.

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Could we please agree to not engage with **ZPG Zealot **in this thread? I think we all have the same opinion of her posts, so we can take it as read without trying to argue with her.

It’s logical, as evil often is. If adoption is unthinkable, then the only solution for unwanted babies is infanticide. In her mind there are no other options.

The second one “commited” an act in the same way Jupiter “commits” speeding… there was nothing he could have done to stop what happened. Those poor families :frowning:

phouka, your posts have been very informative. Thank you.

Maybe you should copy, paste, and PM it to him as well.

Otherwise your incredibly on point post may be missed.

good god. i don’t often have to stop reading a post halfway through, but phouka’s did it.

It is worse because a baby cannot flee or fight back as an adult can.