He has not been broken or tricked; he has not confessed to a jailhouse buddy. The witnesses have backed out.
On the bright side, he’s likely to spend the rest of his life in jail anyway for other reasons. I can be content with that, I think. I hope he changes his life. I hope he makes a turn for the better.
I think, insofar as this is a Pit thread, I’m Pitting the witnesses who backed out.
Very sorry for your loss and any additional stress and suffering due to these processes. Best wishes to your family.
The primary stress while we were still hoping that he would be charged was due to an internal family argument about whether to support an attempt at the death penalty. That argument, is, of course, moot.
My sister’s death was, apparently, a step up in his criminal life. He’d never killed anyone before, nor been suspected. Will this be a short, sharp, shock to him? While I’ll never be happy that he has not been convicted, if it changes his life, changes his viewpoint, I guess I’d live with that. That is, after all, what I would expect a prison term to result in.
It’s the witnesses that piss me off.
Sympathies, and best wishes.
I can see a family death-penalty disagreement being divisive and stressful. I hope it wasn’t too hurtful, and that this result is tolerable to all.
(There’s a clause in my will asking that my murderer not be executed. I wonder how many opponents have made that clear for legal purposes.)
The witnesses are certainly slobs and stinkers for not doing their moral duty.
Fuck, dude. I don’t know if I missed it or what, but I had no idea this was the personal issue in your life that was getting you down.
I have a fucking mental disorder that kept me away from jury duty, and even I would make myself available for a trial in this situation.
Right, because an accused person’s right to a fair trial means nothing to you.
Look, I’m sorry for the OP’s loss. That does not mean, though, that I think that the judicial system should get chucked out. There are people who have been falsely accused of crimes and with more than one witness making such false accusations.
Uh, what’s that in response to, Monty?
Jesus Christ, can’t you let the guy rant without lecturing him? WTF? (Hint: the guy isn’t even getting a trial, fair or not)
Frank, I am so, so sorry about this.
BigT.
I wasn’t lecturing Frank. The response was to BigT.
How can witnesses back out? Once they have made a statement to the police, aren’t they compelled to do so if called to testify, or face contempt charges? This seems strange.
Sorry your family has had to go through this Frank.
My sympathies Frank. I hope at least this resolution brings a little peace to your life.
There is nothing to indicate that there were any false accusations involved. Frank just said the witnesses backed out is all and the accused never confessed. That’s not terribly uncommon and says nothing as to guilt or innocence. Sure, legally he is innocent until proven guilty. But Frank isn’t the American justice system - he is perfectly free to consider this person as guilty as sin for whatever reason. Personally I’m still quite certain O.J. Simpson killed his wife, trial exoneration or no.
ETA: Oh, you were referring to BigT. I didn’t think he was talking about false accusations either, just that he would force himself to testify despite his personal issues if he thought his testimony would be worthwhile.
That’s a nice explanation except for one thing: BigT clearly stated jury duty, not being a witness.
I don’t get it. Did BigT say he would be volunteering for jury duty do that the defendant wouldn’t get a fair trial?
What BigT said that was a bit uncomfortable was his hint that he’d be eager to participate in a jury in order to deliver a specific verdict. That’s the opposite of a “fair trial” by an “impartial juror.”
Frank, my deepest condolences. I hope the other charges come through. I also hope he changes his life, but there’s no reason he can’t do that while serving his other sentence.
Very sorry to hear this, Frank. If, however, as you say, he’s going to be spending the rest of his life in prison anyway, there’s always a chance he’ll have a change of heart and confess at some point in the future. I hope you’re holding up ok.
Time and a place, you prick.
I don’t understand why everyone is jumping on Monty. He was responding to BigT’s offer to fix the jury for me, and, in my opinion, responding appropriately.
Frank: Thank you. And, as I already said above, I am sorry for your loss.
Did you bother to read all of what I posted in this thread?
If Frank hasn’t got a problem with what you said then I’m not going to pursue it. This thread isn’t about the problems I and several others had with what we perceived as your offensive tactlessness.