My Uncle, The Sucker

There’s something very, very wrong with my extended family. They’re all from Windsor, Ontario, which is across the river from Detroit (strike one) and they’re all just completely fucked in the head. My Dad moved away when he was a kid and he turned out normal and successful, so maybe it’s something in the water, I don’t know.

Anyway, today I would like to aubmit, for the Doper’s consideration, my Uncle John. His name really is John, actually.

My Uncle John is a really nice guy but he’s such a sucker P.T. Barnum would have been shocked. I am not talking about your regular run-of-the-mill sucker here. He is not merely gullible. He is gullible to the point of it being a mental problem.

In the last five years my uncle has been involved in every pyramid scam, Ponzi scheme, get-rich-quick plan and Internet fad that has existed in the free world. You name it, he’s into it. A SHORT sample follows:

Amway. He’s been into Amway. We all know about Amway, I guess. Someday I’ll tell the story of the day I, Rickjay the Skeptic, went to an Amway meeting. You’ll all be on the floor, I guarantee it.

The People’s Network. The People’s Network, or TPN, was a pyramid scam that sold satellite dishes. Really. Now, I am sure you’re all wondering, “Hey, Rick, satellite dishes are cool and all but I can get them without going through a pyramid scam, though of course your Uncle John got the added beenefit of being a distributor' and making a fortune,’ ha ha ha ha.”

True - but this way you get an extra channel, The People’s Network. (Duh.) If there’s TV in hell, my friends, they show TPN and nothing else. TPN is - I swear to Christ Almighty I am not making this up - management consultants, pop therapists and motivational speakers twenty-four hours a day, 365 days a year. And I’m not talking about technical experts of big CEOs like Jack Welch - I’m talking about guys who make Tony Robbins look like Albert Einstein. Holy moly.

I can prove the existence of TPN because I have several hours of videotaped programming. My family (this is true, I swear) sometimes takes them out and watches them for laughs, guffawing and insulting the idiots that lurch onscreen. If you want a copy, let me know. It’s funnier than anything else you can rent.

Herbal remedies were the next in line. He got into some kind of pyramid scam involving selling herbal remedies. Like most of these scams, of course, the money was in selling distributorships, no the products themselves. But the thing was he was apparently contractually obligated to not sell the products AT ALL, just distributorships. So when he ranted to my dad about how this new remedy would help him and my Dad finally said “Fine, send me a bottle of it,” he wasn’t allowed to. (My Dad, needless to say, declined to become a distributor.)

It’s somewhat unrelated, but I cannot help but notice that everyone who really seriously got into this herbal rememdy thing (we had other friends into this particular scam) was really, really obsessed with the bowels. Psychoanalyze that.

The Internet Scam of All Time Last year my uncle got into the most transparent internet scam of all time. The business was something called “PRSI” which I think stood for “Professional Resource Systems International.” This firm was selling distributorships in some sort of highly complex pyramid scam involving Web TV. My uncle asked me to do an “analysis” of this new business (developing new business lines is my job) and as God is my witness I couldn’t even understand the material. It was hilariously bad. The compensation system was indecipherable. The technology advertised was pure science fiction. He fell for it. The company’s literature was pathetic; I don’t know how it could fool anyone.

I explained to my uncle that PRSI was a scam of the most colossal and obvious nature, that the literature was utter nonsense, that the company’s owners were liars and weasels, and that any money he invested in it would be lost. He was furious at me. I was not a visionary, he said. I was “Just a kid” who didn’t understand. (He’s 52, I’m 28. He lives with his mother. I don’t.) I laughed at him.

Then, earlier this year, PRSI was raided by the cops and their ENTIRE ownership group was hauled off to jail. I never did ask my uncle if he sent them his money. I don’t really want to know.

Those phone machines. Remember that episode of “The Simpsons” where Homer buys a machine that phones numbers at random and gives a sales pitch, and he gets people to send two bucks to “Happy Guy” but gets busted or something? My uncle - actually, two of my uncles - were into those things years ago. They lost everything. Of course.

My uncle has held down a million jobs. He was a real estate broker, and failed. He managed stores and restaurants. He was into a fencing company. He quit them all, mostly because he doesn’t like working. Now he sponges off my aging grandmother, who has no money and is living off her CPP and my grandfather’s war pension.

Now he’s come back to me and asked about some other schemes. And now I learn he’s turned down some job offers! FUCK!

I sympathize with him, really. He’s 52 and divorced and his daughter is married and lives far away. But I mean, holy jumping shitbeans, how do people fall for these getrichquick schemes again and again and again? I can understand once if you don’t have a really solid command of economics and you’re a little too trusting. Maybe twice. But four, five, six, seven times? How many times do you have to get kicked in the head before you conclude that boots and skulls are not a good mix? How many times is he going to blow the few dollars he can scrouge up on brutally obvious scams? WTF? Does anyone else have people like this in their family or it is just me?

And what the fuck do I do? I patiently explain to him, again and again, “No, this is not good. Here are some fundamental business reasons why this is bad.” He doesn’t understand them, or doesn’t want to, I dunno. I have to have respect, he’s my uncle. I can’t say “Why don’t you fucking listen to me this time? Or your big brother (my Dad)? Didn’t we tell you about this the last seventy thousand times they took your money? Wake up, you goddamned nitwit! Get a fucking job!” I have to be patient. And I KNOW he’s draining my grandmother (with the assistance of his other Windsor-based ne’er-do-well siblings, who are all reprobates and gambling addicts) of all her money, and he keeps hitting my Dad up for more, and try as he might he cannot get power of attorney to prevent them from stealing everything. Fuck! Fuck! Fuck! FUCK!

Well the first days are the hardest days, don’t you worry anymore…'cause when life looks like easy street, there is danger at your door. It’s a buck dancer’s choice my friend, better take my advice; you know all the rules by now, and the fire from the ice. God damn, well I declare, have you seen the like? Their walls are built of cannonballs! Their motto is “don’t” tread on me!" It’s the same story the crow told me, it’s the only one he knows. Like the morning sun you come and like the wind you go.

Come hear Uncle John’s Band, playing to the tide; come with me or go alone, he’s come to take his children home. Come hear Uncle John’s Band, by the riverside; got some things to talk about, here beside the rising tide.

Sounds like a roommate I lived with for a month when I moved out here - at the age of 23 he’s already been through Amway and Herbalife, fortunately I talked him out of a scheme that involved posting chain letters with his name, home address, and a request for money to hundreds of message boards. Daily we would get a call from some shyster credit card company trying to sell him unnecessary “financial products.”

Anyway, he’s VERY excited about his new job as a recruiter. Let me describe:

He works for some kind of recruitment clearing house. His job is to troll Monster.com and other resume posting sites for BOTH candidates AND available jobs. Then he contacts candidates and tries to sell them on positions that are publicly posted on the Web while simultaneously contacting the companies and trying to sell them on his candidates (whose resumes are publicly posted on the Web, often on the very same sites!). The companies aren’t established “clients” of his firm - they are just companies who have posted openings on the internet, so he’s got to talk them into signing some agreement whereby if they hire one of his candidates they pay the clearinghouse a percentage of the new hire’s first year salary. The candidates aren’t clients seeking out his clearinghouse, they are simply folks who have posted their resume online.

I know there are reputable recruiting firms who save companies and candidates time and $$ by putting the right people together, but this seems like such a scam! Furthermore, ex-bonehead-roomie will not be earning a salary - he’ll be trolling and cold-calling 40 hours a week and he “gets a commission on EVERY person he places.”

I tried to explain the extreme BADNESS of this as a business - selling candidates you know nothing about to companies you know nothing about - I’ve worked as a recruiter (the good kind) before and it’s all about having trust on both sides. I tried to explain the risk of it financially - since the company doesn’t have actual clients and they don’t pay a salary, he could go months at a time without getting paid at all! But no, no, he’s doing it.

Dumbass.

Hey! That’s it, yer rich uncle is cuttin’ you outta the will. Ungrateful little bastard.

I have a long (and very successful) history of dealing with people like this.

You must do exactly EVERYTHING you said you didn’t want to do. I call it a “sanity intervention”.

He does not deserve respect just because he’s your uncle. Respect is earned, not born into with extended family.

These people are the neverending train wrecks of the family. They are the most evil and selfish shitheads you can possibly imagine, but you can’t see that because of the familial connection. If this man was your next-door neighbor, you would be chasing him away with a fire axe every time he stepped on your lawn.

Tell him off, dress him down in front of the family. Make sure you have unquestionable evidence and proof for what you say. Ask him why he so irresponsible, and why is jeapordizing the finances of his family. Ask him why he will not do his duty and provide for his family without putting them at risk. If he will not come to grips with his own insanity, then excommunicate him.

Cruel? Harsh? Unrealistic? These people are the sorts that gamble away retirements on lottery tickets, mortgage houses for “mink oil” dealerships, who laugh openly and mock you for being so shit-all stupid as to actually have a steady, good, responsible job.

Write him off, before he’s living in your spare room running up $500/month long distance bills on the latest scam-o-the-month.

Ahhhh, a little Buffett makes everything seem nicer, huh Ike? Here, have a margarita. This is one of my favroite tunes…

While Jimmy Buffett does make things nicer, the Grateful Dead sang that song.

:: singing ::
What a long, strange trip it’s been…

Please contact the local authorities concerning elder abuse. If these fucknuggets are draining your grandmother’s savings they all need to be shown the door. A good assortment of evidence gained from such an investigation will go a long way in helping your father gain power of attorney.

Best wishes.

Ahhh, RickJay, what can I say? I know what it’s like, buddy.
My mom continually warns me of Black Helicopters; Brain Chip Implants; Jet Contrails; Weather Disasters (as foretold by psychics); etc., etc., etc. AM talk radio is such a grand thing.

She just hands out her property and cash to total loser fuckwad strangers. The entertaining part is when she gets pissy about loaning anything to her children, who’ve generally taken better care of her stuff than she does. (I don’t even bother to ask anymore, because it’s just not worth the hassle.)

I’ve been trying to get her to sell her rental property for ten years or so, because she can’t take care of it. Instead, she rents to some asshole with a sad story–amazingly enough, they trash the place and leave without paying rent…after a year or so. !! So, because she can’t work on it herself, she finds another dipshit and rents to them, exchanging rent discounts for work (that never gets done, of course). And, what a surprise - they leave without paying rent, without doing the work, and trash the place…after a year or so. !! She’s been doing this for the last 20 years, at least.

On the bright side, she no longer regales me with whatever the current horror story is. Since the time 10 years ago when I offered to write the contracts, get the deposits, etc etc etc (you know, all the stuff you do when you rent a house to someone) and she refused to do any of it. When she got screwed again and started bitching & moaning, I pitched a HELLFIT and told her to never mention her problems to me again, if she was unwilling to do what was needed to not create the problems in the first place.

She’s just lost a pickup truck and some amount of cash - traded the truck for a roofing job that never got done, but he did manage to charge a bunch of supplies on her account at the hardware store (need I mention the fact that these supplies were not for her work and she’s never seen any of them?).

She’s also spent tens of thousands of dollars (that I know of; IPU only knows how much the total is) to take care of my grandmother. My grandmother had income and property and insurance and all sorts of assets; they were supposed to be in a trust account. Those assets have mysteriously disappeared. Mom’s been bitching for about ten years because her siblings were stealing grandmother’s stuff instead of putting it in the trust. I advised her at least five years ago to contact a lawyer. I finally called one last spring, after my grandmother died and something had to be done. As far as I know, she’s never spoken to him again, never taken him the paperwork she’s got, never done anything but whine about how evil her siblings are.
IMHO, this is not gullibility. It’s outright stupidity coupled with a severe martyr complex. I refuse to “respect” someone who intentionally sets themselves up repeatedly. (Actually, it’s not as much a refusal as a simple impossibility.) I don’t have to “respect” my mother or her decisions, I just have to put up with them. And, as I said, when it gets too bad I just pitch a fit & she quits telling me about it for a while. Sometimes that’s the best you can do. :frowning:

My buddy, a well educated engineer, is a bit of a mark. The worst thing he got involved with was a pyramid marketing scheme - I won’t go into the details - and he was babbling about how, within five years, he was going to be living in the Carribbean and raking in $250,000 a year from all the other pyramiders he was going to recruit. It was an obviously lousy and impractical product and I tried to calmly discuss it with him.

The people who recruited him had anticipated the likes of me and he had been trained to resist “dream-killers”. Anyone who criticized the plan was to be considered a dream killer. It was only a few months later that the people at the top of this scam were arrested and it was revealed in the newspaper that they were flying to Hawaii first class on the weekends and using $70 towels at home and throwing them in the garbage after one use; generally pissing away all the money that was flowing up the pyramid to the top.

What is interesting about all this: In the years since, my friend has retained the “dream-killer” mindset. Any time I try to discuss something with him and I don’t agree with him 100% he gets this lofty contemptuous attitude - “oh you are pathetic and you just don’t get it”. When my wife met him she couldn’t stand him - “Is he always right about everything and that rude to everybody?”

He wasn’t like that before so I guess he learned something from the experience. I don’t see too much of him lately.

Woo Hoo, fellow Parrotheads! Boy do I love this song. Oh and ** relic_11 **?, I’ll have one if you’re serving.

Send me $10 and I’ll tell you. Honest.

Suckers are everywhere, as are Suckees.

Part of my job is dealing with businesses that do fall for the same type of crap. “This device, when added to your air conditioner, will save you 50% of your energy bill, even if your air conditioner is only 40% of your current bill.” What? You are asking me if it will work as advertised? No. Of course not. It’s a scam. Here are the numbers of other folks who were taken. You won’t call them? The salesman told you they were just disgruntled customers who couldn’t operate the device correctly and want to ruin the magic for everyone else. You believe the salesman. And you are a controller for a major corporation? Your own engineers and A/C maintenance people say it won’t work, and you still are considering it? You are going to do it anyhow? Why? They guarentee it? Right. You will have a lawyer review any contracts or other documents they give you to sign, right? No. Too expensive. Oh. Well, see you and half the companies employees on the streets in a few years I guess.

Crooks, frauds, and charlatans are everywhere. They are fairly easy to spot if you know the game, and if you don’t know you ask some people who do. If indirectly involved third parties say they think it’s a scam, trust them. Why would you want your uncle to be unsuccessful? So he could keep sponging off your grandma? Jealousy? Some people need to believe there is a quick easy road to the top, and they just have to look for it. There probably is, and one could probably find it if they looked. Just don’t give your money to someone who says they have found it and will show it to you AFTER you fork over your cash and all rights to recompense. Morons.

I have seen CEO’s of fairly big companies dive face-first, open-mouthed into this type of bullshit, and it facinates me everytime. Hope is a really strong thing. The brickwall of reality is stronger, though.

Shut your sucking face, Uncle sucker!

I knew there would be a South Park joke in here somewhere.

(Cue music)

Terrence:
Shut your fucking face, Uncle sucker!
You’re an Amway-loving poorboy uncle sucker!
You’re an uncle sucker, yes it’s true,
Nobody blown money quite like you!

Philip:
Shut YOUR fucking face, uncle sucker!
You were into Herbalife, you uncle sucker!
You don’t try to work or save your dough,
You just send out checks and blow, blow, blow!

(Farting solo)

Uncle sucker, uncle sucker uncle sucker, uncle sucker…

Shut your fucking face, uncle sucker!
You’re a relative-mooching worthless unclesucker!
You’re a worthless dipshit, I must say,
You blew your last dime yesterday!

Unclesucker! That’s
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Am-way!

Unclesucker!!!

(No more cash!)

I feel better already.

Cripes, Lord D. is right…“Uncle John’s Band” is a GRATEFUL DEAD song. Did Buffett cover it or something?

Where ARE all these damn Parrotheads coming from? You know the old joke, don’t you?

Jimmy Buffett dies and goes to heaven. St. Peter gives him a big welcome and the grand tour of the premeses, and finally says “And here’s where you’ll be staying.” It’s a nice trim little cottage with a deck and a garden and a little parrot flag flying from a pole.

Jimmy looks up the hill and sees, at the top, a huge mansion with terraces and landscaped grounds, swimming pools and shuffleboard courts, all the bells and whistles. Blowing in the breeze over the grand entrance is a huge Skeleton-and-Roses banner.

Jimmy says “St. Pete, not that I don’t appreciate it and all, but I got to know: How come I only rate a little cottage, and Garcia gets that enormous palace up there?”

Peter grins and says, “Oh, that’s not Jerry’s place…that’s God’s.”