Myers-Briggs personality test--worth a shit?

“Oooh! Another special snowflake wants to show off how he’s the very specialestest snowflake of them all!”

Not really. I won’t even tell you what I am, except that the first letter shifts between I and E, depending on my mood. Which could call the whole pigeonholing thing into question, if I weren’t so comfortable with ambiguity. And, if it’s helpful, I always kinda liked Jung. A lot of insight, a big chunk of woo, and generally more entertaining than Freud.

I first encountered the test where most of us did, in Human Resources. Our HR manager was a very pretty, slight ginger with angular features and a terrific, if a bit woo-ish (comes with the job title), personality. In other words, when she said, “The owner wants everybody to take this,” I could do little but blush prettily and say, “Well garsh, ma’am, if that’s what you want me to do…”

Later, the boss called me in to show me my results. “Pretty much what I expected,” he said. Well, duh. If you look at the pages of traits and explanations, especially the negative ones, my mug shot at the top would be both expected and superfluous. And this isn’t like those “everybody gets the same horoscope” things, either. Well, not entirely. That’s where my shift between I and E comes in, where it may show a chink in its reliability.

So, has it any value beyond making a pretty girl glad I took it and reinforcing any preconceptions my boss and I had about me?

I used to work for a psych testing and counseling practice the summer after college (I was the receptionist). One day I asked one of the psychologists what he thought of the Myers-Briggs. His response: “Well, it’s kind of like a horoscope.”

A horoscope with which you can make up your own birthday! I can skew any subjective test to give the results I want, but I played this one straight and it pretty much (psychology waffle word!) nailed the ways in which I’m a pain in the ass.

And I fear I may have betrayed my true, mixed feelings towards HR. On one hand, most are lovely people; good company and good friends. On the other, an awful lot are cheerful, earnest mooncalves, suckers for any trend, billy goats for a troll like me.

It’s kind of interesting to see how the range of personalities can be described and how you fit within there. It’s more organized and well defined than horoscopes if you like that kind of thing.

I’ve sat through more Myers-Briggs training sessions at work than I care to recall, and personally I think the only thing of value I’ve gotten out of it is a reminder that different people have different personalities and if someone does things differently than me it’s not always because they’re malicious or incompetent.* I’d say that’s worth something, although I didn’t need multiple MBTI sessions (plus multiple sessions of the other personality assessment systems we’ve used) to get to that point.

The description of my Myers-Briggs type did sound like me, and even sounded more like me than the other types, but I don’t find this to be particularly impressive. The assessment is a series of question about me that I answered myself, so it would be surprising if the result didn’t sound like me to me.

To be fair, I’d say my immediate coworkers’ MBTI types seemed pretty accurate to me as well…but I can only make that judgement because I already knew what their personalities were like. For people I interact with less often I couldn’t say. In theory it seems like it would be helpful to know the basic personalities of coworkers I don’t interact with regularly, but in a large organization all my Myers-Briggs training hasn’t really given me a practical advantage there. Even if I trust that everyone’s MBTI types accurately describe their personalities, I’d still have to memorize the traits of all 16 personality types and both learn and remember the MBTI types of people who I don’t know very well to begin with.

*It’s just usually because they’re malicious or incompetent.

Quoted for poetic elegance.

I found it was a great organizational tool to describe the motivations of my NPCs in role playing games, so there’s a good use there!

I did one of those tests once (although a truncated version), and this sounds totally unfair. Your horoscope tells you nothing useful, because it’s all bullshit. The personality type that pops out of the Myers-Briggs test isn’t all bullshit, and it will describe you.

To be honest, I don’t remember my results in any detail, and I don’t remember what four-letter type I am. But it did describe me as an extreme introvert, with a preference for thinking over feeling, which is pretty much right on the money.

Which I guess I already knew. But it’s nice to have independent confirmation of it, and it’s certainly useful to have a vocabulary for describing my own and other people’s personalities. Maybe there’s not much more to it than that, but that’s something. At least IMO.

If the test was like a horoscope, it would be possible for me to answer the questions truthfully and have it describe me as an emphatic extravert. In that case, I would call bullshit. But it doesn’t do that.

I suspect where it significantly fails is that some people have more fluid behaviours than others. Personality type tests are meaningless if your personality doesn’t have any kind of consistent type.

We did MB testing for about 120 people in the IT department of my last place of work and it didn’t seem anything like astrology. There were a few people whose initial test (a month before the sesssion) was significantly different from their test on the day - for these folks, the discussion of traits and behaviours was pretty random and meaningless, but most people had very consistent scores across the two sessions.
The interpretation of the traits was done sorta-partly-blind - that is, it wasn’t just a case of us being given a statement that we fit to ourselves - the person leading the session would describe a behaviour; the group would discuss it, then we would say a)whether we thought it was us, and b)who else we thought it was - after that, the instructor revealed the MB rationale behind it, and after that, we checked if our attribution of the trait to people was consistent with their MB scoring. It generally was.

Most of the senior management were ‘E’. Most of the techs were ‘I’.

IMO, it’s not as ‘woo’ as people here make it out to be, as long as it’s used properly - that is, as a tool for introspecting your own behaviours and why they sometimes clash with those of others. I wouldn’t make a recruiting decision on the sole basis of MB, but I would be relatively happy to tailor a personal development plan with it in mind.

Im very skeptical of MB, but even if it has a little validity, anyone who uses it for recruitment is a total moron.

Links to some skepticism and criticism of the MBTI:

One of the reasons that Myers-Briggs is so popular is the Barnum effect (a.k.a. the Forer effect). People tend to react to any vague personality description supposedly generated especially for them (by a personality test, a psychic, an astrologer, etc.) with “OMG, this describes me perfectly!”

Another thing that the Myers-Briggs has going for it is that all of the different personality types sound positive and nice. Taking the MBTI reassures you that you’re a special, unique snowflake with something to offer, and not a crazy weirdo. A real psychological test like the Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory will reveal pathologies and disorders, but according to the Myers-Briggs test, everyone’s equally awesome.

I took a professionally administered test about 20 years ago and while I don’t remember all the letters, it labeled me as an “Intuitive”, not an “Analytical” as a typical engineer. The more I thought about it I agreed that I usually felt antagonistic to highly analytical “numb nuts” engineers I have worked with. I’ve always been an idea guy that can find a new way rather that beating on a bad idea until it works.

It made me think about how I should interact with various engineering supervisors depending on how hard core they were.

I’ve taken it twice and got completely different results each time. I reckon it’s mostly based on your mood when you take the test. I wouldn’t pay it much mind.

MBTI has been an on-and-off fascination of mine and I think it has some very useful aspects, but it also has a way of being misused, even to potentially harmful effect. To a certain degree, I’ll even agree that it can be like a horoscope, particularly the way it’s used on the internet. It’s not something that can be meaningfully assessed by some silly 12 question Facebook test. Also, it’s something that, to really be useful, requires one to be as honest as possible in the test; you can’t answer how you WISH you were, but rather how you ACTUALLY are. For example, a question like “I keep my home and workspace tidy” or “I enjoy socializing at parties”, if you aren’t actually tidy and you don’t actually love glad-handing people, don’t answer true to those questions respectively.

The part that’s bad, though, is that people often misinterpret what it means and/or they look at it as prescriptive rather than descriptive. As an example, people will look at the first letter and think " he is an introvert, therefore he behaves in a certain way" or “she’s a feeler so she behaves in this way”. It’s important to realize it’s about cognitive functions and how they relate to eachother and to realize that even if our primary function is introverted, that still means our auxilary is extroverted, or vice-versa. If you pigeonhole yourself based on that, you can end up missing the whole point of getting the functional preferences. Think of it as saying one prefers chocolate, but that doesn’t mean one ALWAYS chooses chocolate, maybe one will choose a different flavor for a little variety from time to time or even if that’s their favorite flavor in general, certain types of deserts might be better with vanilla or strawberry or cinnamon or whatever.

So, personally, I find it useful in just helping me understand my strengths and weaknesses and how to work with them, as generalities, and also in gaining some understanding into the motivations of other people. Regardless of what one’s type is, whether it’s fairly common or not, there’s going to be certain aspects of other people’s personalities, thought processes, motivations, or perspectives that are going to be a little difficult to understand, particularly as they become more and more different from our own. Sometimes it can get frustrating trying to understand others or explain things to them, especially if they rely on functions that I don’t tend to use. In fact, I’ve come to realize that I more or less sort of had mental maps for how people work not too different from this so that I can relate to them, this mostly just gives me some established language so I can actually articulate some aspects of those to others.

And as far as corporate stuff goes, their use is largely BS. You can find virtually any type in virtually any profession. Yes, certain professions self-select for certain types, but I think that’s intuitively obvious. It shouldn’t be surprising that people who have a primary or secondary Extroverted Feeling function would be drawn to work that involves helping people or that engineers are more likely to have a primary Introverted function and have a Thinking function as primary or secondary. And yet, even knowing that speaking for myself, I don’t fit that mold and I know many who don’t, but without going into unnecessary detail, I understand why. Instead of trying to use it to figure out what one’s ideal job or mate or whatever should be, I see it more as “this person seems to rely on this or that function, how can I use that to help me understand and relate to him?” And, really, how is that much different from going “That person seems highly motivated by processes or values or logic or sentiment or new experience or theory or harmony or stimulation, how can I use that to relate to or work well with them?” In fact, that more or less breaks down the various functions and it’s just a matter of ordering them.

I remember one question in particular from a MB type test. Something about whether you preferred artistic type things vs. Mathematical things.

Haven’t they ever seen a beautiful proof? My goodness, some are absolutely gorgeous.

Clearly the person who wrote the question has a built in bias that says if something is not A is must be B. It can be both, you know.

Anything with so many biases built into the questions is worthless.

I fluctuate between introversion and extroversion on the test for just that reason.

And that leads in to my complaint with the test; the people who “explain” the results. I had a rather entertaining conversation with one HR drone who didn’t get that “introvert” did not = “shy”. I am not shy, and certainly not when in a group of people who I’ve known for a decade. I am an introvert, and after work I need to decompress with quiet alone time.

I was allowed to test it.

First i took some random horoscopes (those lengthly ones that tell you about who you are based on your sign) and supposed distributed them by sign. In fact- random. Not one person said the personality was a mismatch- it was mostly split between "On target’ or “mostly correct”. In other words, the horoscopes were so vague everyone thought they were a fit.

I then gave everyone either their opposite MB personalities or the correct one; Those with the correct one came about with split between "On target’ or “mostly correct”. The group with the opposite one came back with “Not a match at all” or “Mostly mismatch”.

My little test has been born out by other studies.

So, MB has** some** validity. The issues are:

Are you close on the scale to the other side?

And the four styles comparos are valid in descending order. In other words, Extraversion/Introversion is pretty solid- IF you rank strong on either. Judging/Perceiving is the weakest.

So, it’s far more valid than horoscopes, but again, you put people in boxes where they really are in a fuzzy group with overlaps. That’s the main issue.

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Yes, I have some academic background in psychmetrics and I always thought the Meyers-Briggs has some validity and is nothing like a horoscope. I am a consistent INTP just like a lot of other people here and the summation matches me quite well even down to my specific choice of career and the others that I was also attracted to. A lot of it isn’t very positive either so I have used it to learn about how my personality matches and clashes with other types. My INTP type makes it clear that I would probably not make a good politician, salesperson or any other similar role. I am never going to be the life of the party either. What I can be is a good Systems Analyst (which I am), college professor (which I pursued for a while) or engineer (I do some of that as well).

One piece of evidence that supports it is the membership of the SDMB itself. We have done polls for the various types before and the results do not even remotely match that of the general population. INTJ and INTP are the most common Meyers-Briggs personality types here even though they are uncommon in general. The (E)xtrovert types are vastly underrepresented. They are the most common type in the real world but we have relatively few of them around. Even the extroverts here tend to match the patterns of the others except for that measure.

Reminds me of a work training I did with our board president once, on Enneagrams. We each got a book that touted how enneagrams had been scientifically proven! so I of course flipped through it while everyone droned on about their enneagram type, looking for the proof.

The scientific proof turned out to be that people at an enneagram conference were given their enneagram number (or whatever, I forget the details, I think it’s a number) on the first day of the conference, and at the end of the conference most people agreed on a questionnaire that the number they were given was accurate.

Uh huh.

I do think that MB, and enneagrams, might have some accuracy. My question is, do they have any utility? Do they tell us anything we didn’t already know?