That’s nonsense. I already admitted that by your definition, Brazillians are not Hispanic. I won’t admit that my dictionary is wrong, since the dictionary simply describes the way that large numbers of people use words.
In any event, none of this undermines or contradicts my (non earth-shattering) point, which is that “whites” are a group in roughly the same sense that “blacks” are a group. (This does not apply to “hispanics” by your definition of the word.)
ETA: Again and again, I have offered to agree for the sake of argument that Brazillians are not Hispanic. Yet you continue to insist on arguing the point. Why?
See all those little qualifiers I’ve underlined? That is why the point is still being argued. Your ham-handed attempt at conceding a point is a passive aggressive way of conceding nothing. And everyone can see it, which is why you keep getting called on it.
What you’re pretending not to understand is that, in the United States throughout most of its history, the minority group defined as “black people” has been so defined (by the white majority) as such based on their skin color and other morphological characteristics, regardless of their descent.
In a way, in a thread about racist cowards, it’s useful to have one show up.
I don’t really know. I once had a Brazillian friend who lived in Porto Allegre who considered herself to be Hispanic. I haven’t given the matter much thought, viz. the precise definition of “Hispanic.”
I do understand that and I agree 100%. But here’s the thing: “white people” too have been defined based on skin color and other morphological characteristics, regardless of their descent.
I’m a Canadian citizen born in Ontario with a father of Scottish descent. What if I lived in Port Alegre and “considered” myself to be Hispanic. Would I be?
I once knew a gay black jew. Does that make it accurate for me to go around saying black people are gay and jewish? Your friend could’ve been the daughter (or granddaughter, or whatever) of immigrants. Certainly you agree that there are hispanic people living in the US; does that make the United States a hispanic country? What about towns like Nogales, Arizona, which is 93% hispanic - does that make the United States a hispanic country? Do want to keep going?
No it’s not. Because until this weekend, my knowledge of the word “hispanic” was based purely on how people I have communicated with used the word. Granted, a dictionary definition is probably more authoritative than my own inferences based on hearing the word. Nevertheless, the dictionary I checked does include Brazillians (both US resident and non-US resident) in a subset of the definitions of “Hispanic.”
Of course, you claim to be even more authoritative about what the word “Hispanic” means than my dictionary. I’m bit skeptical of this since, as noted before, the dictionary simply reports the way that people use different words.
Nevertheless, since you made a claim using the word “Hispanic,” I am willing to accept your definition of the word for purposes of this discussion. But somehow that’s not good enough for you.
As a side note, your own link indicates that the word “Hispanic” derives from the Latin word Hispania, which referred to the entire Iberian pennisula, which presumably includes Portugal. Not that it really matters. Words sometimes change in meaning over time. What matters is reality, and people are free to define words to describe the world.
And for what seems like the 6th time, I’m willing to accept your definition of “Hispanic” for purposes of this discussion.
:shrug: If you don’t feel like discussing it anymore, it’s your choice. I’m certainly not trolling.
See Cisco’s part of post #28. My position is the same. Previously, I would have agreed with you that Brazilian’s are Hispanic, but it turns out I was wrong. Happens often enough.
I’m also going to honor Cisco’s sentiment in post #79. Unless you bring something to the table regarding the OP, this whole Brazilian/Hispanic hijack should end. Whether this fits in with your “rules” matters to me not at all.
Cisco, did you ever get a response from Little Red Riding Klan?
You spurious little turd, I think I found where you got your definition from. You wouldn’t happen to be using definition 3 and ignoring the first two, would you? And let’s take a took at it:
TRUE. But so far from the whole story that it’s beyond disingenuous to pretend that it’s the final word on what hispanic means.
You know, I was right. I do regret ever responding to you. You’re a fucking troll.
Sometimes I really wish that Morgan Freeman was my grandfather, because he’s amazing.
Also - I don’t think whoever wrote that knows what Yom Hashoa or Mawlid al-Nabi or Cesar Chavez day are. Mawlid maybe could be seen as a cultural celebration, but honestly I’d say it’s as much a cultural celebration as Christmas is (Christians celebrate the birth of their prophet with sermons, ritual feasting, and general festivities. Some Muslims do the same). And unless ‘farm worker’ or ‘proponent of organized labor’ is now a race or culture, I’m not quite sure how Cesar Chavez got on that list.