Nitpick: Weedy says that I am a mason. Doesn’t really change your argument.
Gad told me that we were both villagers. I take that as mod word that we are both villagers.
Did you target gnarly? I don’t remember you saying you did. Gad could be honestly relaying the false information from someone else’s power.
Do I even want to know?
Stuff related to Dancecat:
Here’s one of Dancecat’s votes.
Here’s Idle’s reaction to DanceCat.
Giraffe’s reaction to DanceCat
Note: If Dancecat is scum, that may explain why some candidates got pushed into the mix above Dancecat.
Krayz (7): Drain Bead [489], Meeko/sangaman [493], Scuba_Ben [498], Mahaloth [540], Idle Thoughts [706], LightFoot [717], Scuba_Ben [736], Precambrianmollusc [771]
TexCat (5): Inner Stickler [473], lilflower [494], MykBot [586], gnarlycharlie [636], Normal Phase [739]
Silver Jan (5): special ed [487], DanceCat [513], Episkey [617], bufftabby [795], Blaster Master [820]
peekercpa (4): Giraffe [301], special ed [313], NAF1138 [337], Scuba_Ben [379], Silver Jan [484], crackedquads [743]
TimeLady (2): sachertorte [211], Suburban Plankton [352]
SisterCoyote (2): TimeLady [648], brewha [750]
Mahaloth (1): bufftabby [564], Krayz [597]
Dancecat (1): Idle Thoughts [72], Giraffe [250], Normal Phase [497], Scathach [604]
Giraffe (1): special ed [51], peekercpa [286], Krayz [418]
MykBot (1): Zeriel [21], TimeLady [24], TexCat [459], septimus [601]
Scathach (1): GuiriEnEspaña [359]
LightFoot (1): Zeriel [375]
septimus (1): Askthepizzaguy [477]
lilflower (1): TexCat [521]
special ed (1): SisterCoyote [562]
Suburban Plankton (0): Scuba_Ben [572]
Idle Thoughts (0): Krayz [86]
GuiriEnEspaña (0): Drain Bead [386]
NAF1138 (0): Dancecat [53], Blaster Master [520]
Folks who voted for DanceCat:
Idle Thoughts [72], Giraffe [250], Normal Phase [497], Scathach [604]
Idle, Giraffe, Normal, Scathach. Most of these were done early on, and put DanceCat as the early top candidate. Almost all unvoted.
Folks who voted for TexCat:
Inner Stickler [473], lilflower [494], MykBot [586], gnarlycharlie [636], Normal Phase [739]
Nobody voted for Blaster Master.
Folks who voted for SilverJan:
special ed [487], DanceCat [513], Episkey [617], bufftabby [795], Blaster Master [820]
[ul]
[li]So, gnarly is mason with TexCat, and I believe gnarly.[/li][li]Silver Jan was voted by DanceCat and Blaster Master.[/li][li]DanceCat was voted by Idle, Giraffe, Normal, Scathach, and was mostly unvoted.[/li][li]Blaster Master didn’t incur any votes.[/li][/ul]
What does that leave me?
I think that TexCat and Silver Jan could have been vote-pushed ahead of DanceCat, and I think DanceCat could be the guilty party.
No, Gnarly targeted me. I did not target Gnarly. But both of our full roles were given to both of us. I am sure that Gnarly is town.
Why was gnarly voting TexCat?
He thought I was scum. That is why he targeted me last night.
There, this should have the strike thru
Oh, and please see http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14168940&postcount=1672 for my take on the timing of votes yesterday.
YES! In the other game there was EIGHT masons, with one WOLF mason being in the mix.
If I recall correctly, there was a MESSENGER in the other game which could send messages through the mod to other players. This could explain the “peeks” where “I heard a whisper that so and so is a villager/wolf” come from.
Texcat hardclaims him and gnarlycharlie are village masons who found one another. This claim was not in response to vote pressure being applied to either of them. At the very least:
Texcat IS a villager, and a mason
Texcat believes gnarly is a villager, and knows he is a mason
Gnarly IS a mason, is likely a villager, but could be a wolf mason.
WRT your underlined portion: There are varying types of cops/seers, and one popular one where multiple cops exist is True Seers. True seers get correct, full information about their target. The full seer’s target was redirected to weedy.
There is a very obvious reason why none of the claimed role/alignment reveals were given to players about whom they targeted. I’m not going to explain it because I think it’s anti-town to do so.
Again, there’s an obvious, great reason why none of the peeks are about the players they targeted. Some of the results gathered (not all), can be explained by something not being explored itt. It should stay that way.
There is very likely to be various forms of cops, I agree. We have to be cognizant of that but simply lynching people within the claim for information isn’t exactly beneficial to the village. I’m trying to decide what direction we want to take with our lynch tomorrow, but note that lynching inside these claims isn’t a must, in fact I would be more comfortable lynching outside of it.
Additionally, the wolves will help resolve these claims. They can’t let 5 people who are getting results from other players and clearing one another all remain alive. We’ll know more by Wednesday.
Oracles didn’t work that way in the other game. When an oracle died, the results of his/her last target were exposed in the thread. For example, let’s say:
I’m an oracle, last night, I targeted player X
Today I end up getting lynched
When I die and the mod reveals my power, he also reveals the role PM of the player I targeted last night. It doesn’t matter whether or not my target is still alive in the game. So player X’s true role PM would have been posted in game.
That’s at least how it worked in the last game. Could very well be different here, and oracles may not even exist.
NO. Texcat is the clearest villager of all the claims, because:
He claimed without reason, without pressure, and his mason buddy also was not in danger.
Another player also claimed Texcat to be a villager.
Texcat’s mason (gnarly) will almost certainly also claim Texcat is a villager.
This is also unfortunately not true. Both of you could be (and I believe that you are) masons, but being masons does not make you villagers.
You’re almost certainly a villager because someone else has claimed you as one, but gnarly could be a wolf mason. Wolf mason’s existed in the other game, do not discount their presence in this one.
If we lynch inside of these claims. We lynch gnarly. Gnarly can very well be both a mason and a wolf. This role existed in the last game.
Texcat is clearest
Gnarly is the least clear
Everyone else is in between.
holy sheeps (sorry hal). eye sure hope that gad gets in here an stops this nonsense. because even polly can’t figure out what you are going on about. aaaarrrrrrrhhhhhhhh.
Another thing that I forgot to address:
That texcat claims him and gnarly shared role pms
A) This is probably not allowed, and may you get modkilled
B) If it occurred and both players were honest, gnarly is very clear
C) If gnarly is a wolf (which is possible), he edited his role pm to deceive texcat.
No, gnarly is the only one who got a guilty result. Given all these cop/oracle whatevers, at LEAST two of them are supposed to be giving off mostly guilty results.
Since we only got 1/5 guilty results, gnarlycharlie is the most cleared out of all of them.
Go for the innocent results, one of them has to be a lie.
Of all the claims in the **gnarlyWeedyTexJan **morass, the one that seems the most suspicious is **Weedy’s **reveal of TexCat. Weedy claims to have received a message saying that TexCat is a Villager and a Mason, which is one piece of information more than anyone else received.
So does this mean that TexCat is Wolf, and he or one of his Wolf buddies sent the message? Or does it mean that Weedy is a Wolf, and is making the whole thing up?
I think it’s more likely that TexCat is on the level, that **gnarlycharlie **is Town, that Silver Jan received false information, and that Weedy made up his message and mistakenly included too much information. What I can’t figure out is why he would have done such a thing, since he’s not likely to gain any Town cred for being on the receiving end of an anonymous tip.
On Preview it looks like there were about 2 dozen new posts while I was composing this. I’m posting it anyway. Hopefully nothing in recent posts makes this one look stupid.
Just an aside here: On the dope, players are usually found suspicious (and voted for) for this, not found “cleared”.
More proof that our cultures couldn’t be more different. 
Let me just repeat that Gad told me that gnarly is a villager. I am 99.9% positive that gnarly is town.
wonder what mykbot will have to say once he gets released from no posting hell. probably a couple of posts of some sort.
I encourage you guys to at least read the mod posts from the last game. I know the game is long and it requires some degree of effort but it could significantly help you guys who aren’t used to pog games get a grasp on what mechanics and roles do/can exist in this game. After all, this game was designed with the pog game as a foundation, so don’t simply expect this game to adhere to dope board standards.
Here’s the link:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/59/puzzles-other-games/mystery-mash-may-23-ww-game-thread-1041064/
Just search for all the “Mystery Mod” posts for cliff notes. After the game ends, a player named ‘Rebonkulous’ explains some of the mechanics and posts a lists of all the roles in the game (in post 4923). Read that list, understand the roles. Don’t post role pm’s from that game into this one, gadarene said not to.
I would personally love it if everyone unvoted and we started this thing from scratch, and the only 5 candidates for lynch would be TexCat, Gnarlycharlie, DanceCat, Blaster, and Silver Jan.
Of those:
- DanceCat (seemed to be spared via voting)
- Blaster (didn’t get voted)
- Silver Jan (was voted by DanceCat and Blaster)
- TexCat (the more suspicious of the two masons, IMO)
- Gnarlycharlie (cleared via being the one guilty result out of 5 results, has others corroborating this story)
are the folks i’d kill, and in that order.
I’d like folks to at least weigh in on this hypothetical even if they don’t switch their votes. But that’s if I had my way. Nobody ever listens to me when I ask this VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION.