I was offline for something like 2 days – our hotel the last night in Switzerland charged way too much for wireless, and then I was on a plane for what seemed like forever.
I can’t think of any scenario where my target mattered last Night: no one was currently poisoned, and that’s the only thing I believe I may be able to do that is useful. And I’m Town, so I don’t care if I get watched visiting anybody.
Do you think it actually matters who I target when no one is poisoned, based on what I’ve reported about my role?
You keep conveniently forgetting that people also “feel healthy” after I target them.
As for poisoning DrainBead, I really did think she was scummy. And I kind of convinced myself that I had been blocked twice on purpose by scum thinking JD was doctor. Plus reflector didn’t seem like a town role. (unlike poisoner, I know, I know).
That and second guessed myself by curing her before, so I thought maybe I should have just gone with my first instinct. Turns out no. At least she was killed by scum anyway, so the poisoning at least did no harm.:smack:
Anyway - I don’t know that I find DonkTimes4 that scummy, but I agree that he’s lurking too much. Other top candidates are Normal Phase, and frankly Giraffe (though that might just be OMGUS).
I’ll ** vote DonkTimesFour** for now, in the hopes that it’ll bring him out of the woodwork.
I didn’t forget, I completely missed it. I haven’t been following the thread as closely as I would like for the past 1.5 weeks. I’ll try to do a careful read through and make some notes tonight. That is an interesting data point, and I’ll have to consider how that affects my “you are scum” theory.
I’m pretty dubious of all this. If you’re Town, why wouldn’t you poison me instead? I’m either useless, an apothecary, or a Wolf. Poisoning me gives Town information about my role. If I’m not an apothecary, I die.
But I don’t think you want Town to know that I am an apothecary, because then you are revealed as a Wolf poisoner. (Who may or may not also have apothecary powers.) This leaves you in a bind – the Wolves can’t kill me, but they don’t dare let me heal anyone, either. So you target the Wolf victim, which then lets you argue that you couldn’t possibly be a Wolf because they’d want to spread out their killing powers.
Hmm, maybe I should push for my own lynch today, provided people kill you tomorrow if I flip apothecary. I think we’re down to only two Wolves left, right? That would be worth it.
Something about how being blocked means you should poison her?
You thought her role was Scummy.
You thought you made a mistake earlier.
It didn’t matter.
Leads me to a few questions:
Can you point out your posts where you indicated a suspicion of her?
What do you mean?
How is her role scummy-sounding, and can you point to a post where you might have mentioned this earlier?
Can you point to where you might have said this?
yeah, apparently, and it would be a nice place to hide your poisoning so that a) you garner less suspicion and b) you don’t have to shoot at someone under more suspicion, thereby eliminating them from lynch consideration.
From the day before yesterday, and I repeated another post yesterday about why I thought the Idle reveal meant DrainBead was scum. This was after healing her, and was me second guessing myself.
No, I didn’t say it earlier. But I meant that a Reflector basically role blocks powers, and it seemed like a role that worked better if you know who the powers are, i.e. if you’re scum and and you can target claimed powers.
Well no, I mean I couldn’t without role claiming. My reply to the first question here was me re examining her again though because I wasn’t sure I’d done the right thing. Also, I was the first person to bring up the whole Idle post weirdness about claiming to have been PM’d her role.
What does anyone think about septimus’ alignment at this point? I had a note saying ‘likely Town, because Episkey targeted him’, but I don’t know why I wrote that because a) **Episkey **never claimed to have targeted septimus, and b) I don’t know why that would make septimus Town anyway.
Then I have this argument, which I *think *is sound:
Night 6, Silver Jan was told that **lilflower **is Town. This message must have come from either Scuba_Ben or Episkey. Episkey, knowing by this point what his power was, would not likely have targeted a Townie, because there would be a fair chance that he would out a fellow Scum. Therefore it’s most likely that this message came from Ben, meaning that lilflower is likely Town.
**septimus **also claims to have received a message that Night saying that lilflower is Scum. This message must have come from Episkey. But based on the argument in the above paragraph, Episkey would have been unlikely to target Town, meaning that septimus is likely Scum.
Is there any other way that septimus could have received a message that Night, than it came from either Scuba_Ben or Episkey?
Hmm, I rather like this. In fact septimus need not have received anything about lilflower at all, but was just saying he did as a way to cast doubt on what would essentially make her a cleared townie.
In getting to the bottom of the role PM Idle claimed. Is it PCM who allows other players to get role PMs? I know he got 2 other people’s role PMs with his name on them. the one I got was my role with my name.
Is there a way this PM, intended for Drain, could have been redirected to Idle?
Why wouldn’t Episkey have targeted Town? I would think he’d want to target a Town player, knowing that if another Town player got a false message saying “player X is scum” it could potentially cause two Town mislynches (one of player X, and another of the player who misreported them being scum). Whereas targeting a fellow scum risks outing them when he is lynched and his power revealed.
This doesn’t make any sense to me – if scum Episkey didn’t want to target Town, why would a fellow scum report the very message he’d have generated if he had targeted Town?
Here are the various cases, just to help reason this out:
lilflower scum, septimus scum:
Episkey targets a fellow scummer, Silver Jan gets a false message that she is Town. septimus gets Scuba Ben’s true message that she is scum. Why on earth would he share it? He knows his scumbuddy Episkey didn’t generate it, so why not let Scuba think it’s the result of his investigation?
Conclusion: very unlikely, IMO.
lilflower Town, septimus scum:
Episkey targets a Townie. Fellow scummer septimus gets the result, but dutifully passes them along like a good Townie would. Why wouldn’t he? If they didn’t want Town to think lilflower was scum, Episkey wouldn’t have targeted her. Scuba Ben also targets her and Silver Jan gets the true message that she is Town.
Conclusion: plausible.
lilflower Scum, septimus Town:
Just like the first scenario, Episkey targets a fellow scummer, Silver Jan gets a false message that she is Town. Townie septimus gets Scuba Ben’s true message that she is scum.
Conclusion: just as plausible as the second scenario, if you believe Episkey would target a scumbuddy.
lilflower Town, septimus Town:
This is just like the second scenario, except septimus is actually being a dutiful Townie instead of just pretending.
Conclusion: equally plausible.
Honestly, I think that all we can conclude from those messages is that it’s unlikely both septimus and lilflower are scum, simply because their actions as scum would be illogical.
What do people think about my suggestion in post #5503? That we lynch me toDay and scathach toMorrow if I flip apothecary? Obviously, I’d rather reverse the order, but don’t mind going first if it helps get the wagon rolling.
But if this argument is accepted, Episkey would be outing a fellow Scum when his target is revealed. And that’s assuming hypothetically Scum septimus would have reported the Episkey whisper truthfully. Wiser for such septimus might be to invent a “Suburban Plankton is Village” message, hoping for two misLynches before the lie is discovered.
I think Scum Episkey was best off doing what he did – targeting a Townie who had attracted suspicion, i.e. septimus.
But this is all Wifommy conjecture. What I can tell you is that I am a Villager and I reported the whisper truthfully.
Sorry, I just realized my tldr post about Episkey was written with the incorrect assumption that he got to chose the player whose alignment was falsely disclosed, not the player who got the message (of a random player’s alignment). So I suspect much of it is rubbish.
Ed, you never told us who you targeted on Night 7. You mentioned yesterDay that you were waiting to see if anyone claimed receiving your ‘power boost’, and wanting to see what they did with it. Given that nobody made such a claim, and there has been no visible evidence yet of anyone having more than one target, do you think that information would be helpful now?
