"Natural Cures" Conspiracy/ Coral Calcium/ O'Ryley Factor/ FDA

Just a few people know about this guy. Here is his site: http://www.naturalcures.com/

So about 3 years ago I was watching TV at 3:30am and this infomercial would play promoting this product called “Coral Calcium”. The guy on the infomercial was making amazing claims about his product which was natural and from Asian coral reefs. The one thing in particular I remember was that he said it would allow you to be so healthy that you would live 115 years or more. He said that apparently calcium provides the body with so much oxygen that basically it can heal any health problem, and allow the body to heal itself… something like that…

And then suddenly, after about < 2 weeks every night on the air, the infomercial stoped playing for good. I had no idea why cause the guy (Kevin) was so convincing that I was interested in trying it.

Finally I found out what happened to him. According to the O’Riley factor, he was sued by the FDA or some type organization, and I guess, he could not sell the product any more. The guest they had on was trying to say he was basically a con, out to make money. But I’m not sure that is the case…

I found out this according to his site: He was sued several times, by the FDA b/c they don’t want you to know the truth. He claims that the reason for so many health problems is that the drug and food industry are conspirating. He says, drug industries don’t want to sell you a cure to your problem because if they did they would be out of business. Its all about money. If drug companies wanted you healthy they would be out of business, and not to mention how big the drug industry is but this would effect the national economy.

So, anyone know if this is true, or is they guy Kevin, a con? I am tending to believe him. After all, we live in a country in which they sell you Tobacco; a product which side effects is that it kills its users. What if there are other products we use today, not aware of the long term side effects.

Well, maybe because he’s in jail for fraud. Here’s Quackwatch

Federal Trade Commission

one more news article

He’s a conman. Just because he talks pretty doesn’t mean he doesn’t have his hand in your pocket.

I have no medical ax to grind. I’m retired. I do stained glass, now. In fact, if there were a true alternative to western medicine, I’d be there. I will say in no uncertain terms his science is full of holes.

That doesn’t even make sense, on any level. What on earth does that mean? Calcium provides oxygen? Oh, yeah? Well, buy my product! This activated strontium gives your body much-needed gallium!

I’ve always found it puzzing that there should be some secret “quack’s code of conduct” which requires that any bogus health claim be so poorly thought out that it’s implausible to anyone with much beyond a third-grade education. In view of things like the Nigerian scam, I guess the explanation is that such claims don’t need to make any real sense in order to deceive huge numbers of people, so why bother?

Physicians could make a lot of monet selling that stuff…if it were true.

Since they aren’t, it probably doesn’t.

Always remember, Young Padawan–If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is too good to be true.

Promises are good. rock solid empirical testing, under controlled conditions, by an independent review group, is better! :slight_smile:

Just like the oil companies would suffer if the miracle 300 mpg additive were allowed to be sold.

I had a contractor doing work on my house who insisted I read that book. Out of curiosity/politeness I did. It’s like an encyclopedia of quackdom. You would think that having compiled a tome of thousands of remedies and healing modalities he would have stumbled upon at least ONE that had a modicum of science behind it. By the way he also says in that book that Scientology is, without a doubt, the best science of mental health available.

…or your money back!

I read up on this guy, and I have to admit this quack enfuriated me to a degree that was possibly disproportionate (or possibly not).

  1. His quackery isn’t just wrong, but can actively hurt people. IIRC he actually says that skin cancer is caused by the sunblock, and not the sun. Folks who fall for this horseshit will stop using sunblock and go into the sun, and have a much greater chance of getting skin cancer.

  2. His book rips off the gullible who buy his book, not just by being dangerous/useless, but also by not actually describing many “cures”, but referencing his web site that one must subscribe to, to actually get the information.

  3. The sonofabitch’s book hit #2 on the bestseller lists, only being outsold by the latest Harry Potter. He’s making a mint hurting people.

picunurse, you say he’s in jail, but I see no reference to prison or jail time in the articles you linked to. I didn’t scan the Salon one though, I don’t have time now to get a site pass and go through each page.

I think she was just positing that the reason that his informercials had disappeared was that maybe he was in jail.

We can hope.

BTW, I think my response above may be inappropriately emotional for GQ, and if so I apologize.

Dude! Seriously?

I’m an herbalist and massage therapist.

I studied for six years with an acupuncturist.

I use aromatherapy to treat my children.

I even use homeopathics and flower essences in conjunction with herbal treatments.

I’ve been known to use a pendulum to verify a treatment stretegy.

Now, will you believe me, the crazy hippie chick with an alternative agenda longer than your arm when I tell you that Kevin Trudeau is a lying, manipulative con man who would sell his grandmother’s teeth for $3.59 on the subway? He gives snake oil salesman a bad name. He’s dangerous and a cheat and we don’t want him on our side!!!

Revtim, the Salon article mentioned that he served two years in jail for credit card fraud - making erroneous charges on his own customers credit cards. I agree 100% with everything you wrote about him.

Who buys spare teeth on the subway?

This guy: :smiley:

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I like watching this guy on TV, and I’ll admit that 10+ years ago I got that stupid read faster crap from him. The funny thing is that when ever he touts his book he keeps saying he’s not selling anything at all and to check out his website, well if you have to pay to check it out then guess what you’re selling something. I’d like to see his book just to see what the hell he’s saying.

You’ve got to love his “The FTC is censoring my CD so I can’t tell you the title” crap too. Or maybe it’s because he’s gotten Tammy Fay to shill for him as well.

Well, it may be true; that Kevin may be a con artist…

…but man is he a good one! The guy also has to be very smart to be so good at coming up with scams and selling them and also being such a good actor at convincing ppl to buy his bonus stuff…
I mean;
Basicly we are saying that this guy was good enogh to get a book all the way to #2 on the NY times bestseller list… with bogus material! Thats amazing!

I guess the final say would be from anyone that actualy bought the book and was “cured” from any problem due to doing something in the book. Anyone???

also the case may be that perhaps half of what he says in his book is true and half is faulse… keep that in mind. but i havnt read the book.

Happens all the time. Google “Chariots of the Gods”, “The Bell Curve”, and “Amityville Horror” for more of the same.

But at least those authors weren’t messing with people’s healths.

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Mein Kampf** was a best seller, too, fishquail. But, just like Trudeau’s, book, it was all bullshit.

It’s his puppydog eyes. He oozes hurt sincerity.

Why would that be the final say? Homeopathic remedies, healing prayer, therapudic touch, astrology, chiropractic subluxions, magnetic therapies, and so on and so on cannot possibly work, have no science underlying their supposed processes, and fail consistently when properly double-blind tested.

And yet you’ll get thousands of people willing to tell you how they were cured by one of the above. Many of whom will have actually BEEN cured after the treatment in question.

People get better all the time, without intervention at all, even of often-fatal diseases. They will tend to attribute their cure to the last thing they tried. People who don’t, no matter how many there are of them, fail to report their findings.

I had a grandfather that lived to be very old, despite weighing over 450 pounds. We all know folks that lived into their 90’s while chain smoking. These are the EXCEPTIONS, not the rule, and we’re biologically wired to pay more attention to to exceptions than “normal” processing. So we need a way to filter out this inherent human bias.

Please. If you never listen to another thing I say, please listen to this:

THERE EXISTS A PROCESS BY WHICH WE CAN DETERMINE TO WHATEVER DEGREE OF CONFIDENCE WE LIKE WHETHER A TREATMENT IS CORRELATED WITH A DESIRED OUTCOME.

This process can’t be stymied by the FDA, the government, the scientific community, men from mars, or industrial conspiracies. It doesn’t have to cost a lot of money.

It does require some effort, a large enough population of subjects with the condition you want to treat, and a commitment to being non-biased.

That process is the randomized, controlled, double-blind (RCDB) trial. All those words are important:

Randomized: The subjects need to be assigned to treatment and control groups in a manner which doesn’t bias the outcome, usually computerized random number generation these days, but you can flip a coin if you like.

Controlled: There needs to be an identical (or as close as possible) group of subjects who don’t get the treatment (possibly given a placebo), in order to verify that any effects seen in the treatment group aren’t just normal processes of the condition.

Double-blind: Neither the people giving and receiving the treatments, nor the ones deciding what outcomes are “success” may know whether an individual was in the control or treatment group (at least until after the experiment and results are complete). This is the one that the famous prayer study on heart conditions failed to do, for example.

You can’t leave out any of these without re-introducing the human tendency to see what you want to see. Randomized, controlled, double-blind studies produce data. Your coworker telling you that JiffyVite cured her cold is an anecdote. You can show anything with anecdotes, whether or not it’s true.

When you do a proper study, you get two things: A result, and a confidence level in that result. At this point you can say things like: yes, I’m 95% sure that JiffyVite decreases the length of the common cold by 30% on average. Incidentally, it has no effect at all on 60% of those who take it, and a much greater effect on those for whom it works.

Why can you say that? Because the result has been actually demonstrated, in an environment that takes out human bias. What’s absolutely, amazingly stunning to folks who first start looking at the scientific trial method is how many effects that you KNOW are true…aren’t when you start actually looking at them. Our capacity to fool ourselves with non-representative data is astounding. This “confirmation bias” is probably the strongest psychological effect present in human reasoning, and we’re largely unaware of it.

Don’t like the confidence level? Fine, do a larger study. You can pick any number less than 100%), and statistically choose a sample size that will give it to you. It’s always a good idea to do more studies anyway, because that can expose errors in control, randomness, or blinding.

Bottom line: Be sceptical of any claim that hasn’t had an RCDB trial done on it. If it has, ask whether the randomization method is valid, the control group was really selected randomly and is similar to the test group, and especially whether blinding was maintained all the way through the experiment. If so, and you still don’t believe the answer, test it yourself. The whole point of this process is that it can be reproduced, (and done properly should give the same answer), WHETHER OR NOT THE TESTER BELIEVES THEY ALREADY KNOW THE ANSWER.

RUN AWAY from anyone that claims that RCBD data can’t be done on their product for some reason (“the skeptic mental energy necessary for RCBD ruins the results” is popular), or worse, that it was done, but the negative result was wrong for some reason (the proper response there is to do the experiment again, not to explain it away).

Yeah, I know you can’t do this for every claim you come across. But people hawking “miracle cures” never seem to do it (or leave out important steps, usually either the control or blinding ones). If you can pass such a study, and it confirms your effect, the scientific community WILL take note (although if they’re skeptical, the first thing they’ll do is replicate it).

Thanks to anyone who read this far, sorry for the longwindedness. I’ll now go back to trying to solve people’s computer problems.

It’s always funny when people say “so-so and so can’t be a con artist, they seem so nice” or honest or whatever. Look, if they didn’t gain your confidence they wouldn’t be called a con artist. (Although the sucker born every minute law of life does seem to guarantee they’ll keep honing in on some people no matter how bad their artistry is.)