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Changes everything. What kind of pervert monster goes around suggesting people have relations with under-age cats? :mad:
Thank you Zoe for the welcome and for your thoughts.
No, seriously, let’s just carry on pretending that Nava was talking about the death and destruction being fun to watch, even though it’s been explained over and over that this isn’t the case.
After, all, we’re on a new page now.
Could you please cite your statement that ETA has a lot of funding from America? I posted how few Basques are in America. I seriously question your assertion on this point.
I may have missed it, but do you now understand why the very nice offer of assistance by your fireman were turned down, or do you still see and issue with it?
Jim
You don’t say.
This is really embarrassing. 
I waded through 3 pages of this shit. apologies if someone has already raised this in pages 4-8, but ya know Nava speaks English as a second language. that’s never come up in the first 3 pages. “Fun” is definately a poor word choice for an American. If you substitute “black humor”, “ironic”, etc, then it takes on a whole new light.
Sheeple, we are a multilingual, multicultural board (cough cough a-fucking-merican board cough cough). Yet, you’re ready to tar and feather someone that speaks English as a second language and ***obviously ** * didn’t pick the right word for an American audience to get the point.
I’ve lived in Chinese speaking countries for 20 years, I speak Chinese pretty dang well, and all the time at work and at home I run into word choices that could come to blows if people want to read their worst exnophobic fears into language misunderstandings.
This pile on sure reeks to me of exnophobia (sp?)
So where does one donate to ETA?
I do see why it was turned down, yes.
As for the statement, it’s not necessarily money so much as support (it can be in the form of helping a member of ETA find a job in their location, for example, this has happened); there’s sort of three kinds of “Basque” living abroad:
- those whose foreparents migrated wherever, whose ancestors are from all over the place and who do not identify themselves as “Basque” but as “some of my ancestors were from the Basque country, isn’t my lastname Basque?”; their reaction at meeting Basque who don’t speak Basque (like myself and a coworker in a project) is a genuine “why?,” if they even find it remarkable.
- those whose foreparents (or themselves) migrated recently for economic reasons, whose strong opiniong on politics may go any way; their reaction to the above is a dismayed “why?”
- those whose foreparents migrated recently for political reasons. These are usually more radical than the ones who migrated; these are the ones who call people like Pablo and me traitors (our foreparents stopped speaking Basque generations ago, being city folks).
For donations to ETA, see Batasuna or the newspaper Gara. You can also go to your local batzoki.
**China Guy, ** xenophobia.
When you add the numerous “Eurotrash” comments, it’s pretty hard to swallow that people aren’t being hysterical bigots.
Do you mean “xenophobia”?
Are you in some time loop, where you continually return to yesterday morning and forget everything that’s been posted in this thread, including Nava’s rather detailed and completely comprehensible explanation of what she was trying to say when she made that statement?
Or are you just a dribbling moron looking for any excuse to parade your idiocy?
I’m betting on the latter.
Yep, that’s true, we all realize it’s a dangerous gig, and when, as in, say, Charleston, or Worchester when a larger-than-normal amount of public safety personnel (FF’s in those cases) die, it’s a tragic thing. When the deaths are precipitated by the most violent terrorist act in recent history, those simple firefighters become national heroes. Saintly? Nope, never said that, don’t buy into that anyway.
Fucking right you won’t.
No, you’re not a “bad person” you’re one of those so effected by the stupid, stupid place American “society” is in right now, that you can’t take the time to mourn the deaths of people you don’t know because, well, you don’t know them. Didn’t used to be that way.
Yes, if you were born here, if you emigrated here, if you are an ally of our country, that’s “our side”. The principles America is founded on; Freedom, Liberty, Justice and Equality. THAT is what I believe America to be, even though the Commander in Chimp isn’t exactly the beacon of those principles. The OTHER side is Osama bin Laden, Muqtada al-Sadr, and radical Muslim fundamentalists who’s only desire in life is to incite their followers to kill Americans (because they’re too fuckin chickenshit to do it themselves). That said, I think we bred these mutts by sticking our dirty little fingers into everybody’s pie. The War on Terror is akin to waging a War on Farts. You can’t fight an idealism YOU helped create by doing things the radicals SAID you would do. It’s as dumb and as meaningless as the war on drugs.
And how do you think all that shit came about eh? Magic? Osmosis? (well, technically the drinking water may have come to pass using osmosis, but I digress) the giant sky pixie geedub prays to?
No, it came to us because everyone who came before us made it so with their labor, their blood and their knowledge. Americans work harder, longer, and generally produce more than any other nation in the world. THAT is why we’re the last remaining superpower, THAT is why we’re rich. Fuckin money just doesn’t fall from the sky :rolleyes:
Your ability to type the previous quote has been brought to you by the American Soldier. You’re welcome.
The title of this OP says it all, just can’t let it go. Takes it personal, a chance to get aggressive, put a nation in its place, reassert our superiority and act the wounded party.
Find a WMD in Nava, use her as a scapegoat, get the mob riled up with accusations and misinterpretations.
Feeling better now?
I haven’t posted in this thread because I wasn’t really excited one way or the other about what Nava said. But this quote from NinjaChick I find kind of disturbing. I wouldn’t call you a bad person, but I do think that this kind of reaction is…weird. I didn’t get the impression that Nava thought 9/11 itself was fun, but here you seem to be saying that it was. That any excuse to have an “easy day” is a good one, no matter what it is. That seems very disconnected to me.
I have a WMD in me.
only 26 more posts and we’ll be on page 9, then someone else can neatly ignore the explanations and apologies in order to express their spluttering outrage.
Groundhog thread. 
Didn’t you already say that?
Guess what sparky, She got to say her piece, everyone else gets to say theirs. Just because she said sorry doesn’t change how people feel or their need to say what they want to say on a message board they (probably) pay to use, u no likee, u no readee.
Sure, we can all say what we want, but just riding roughshod over explanations and apologies is ungracious and stupid. And as you rightly state - I get to point that out.
Thank you for the reply. At least maybe the fireman issue has been clear up for you.
The amount of support and money coming from the US for the ETA must be small compared to what flowed to the IRA for years, but I guess the ETA has a much smaller amount of money to operate with anyway. Perhaps that is my misunderstanding. The IRA thing always bugged me, as it was pretty damn close to be in the open and it was shameful. I realize that Al-Quaeda was also recieving a lot of money from the US, though nothing compared to what came from Saudi.
What is a batzoki? Is it anything like a Bodega (a small Spanish store typically found in US Cites with large hispanic populations)?
Jim
Hey, in response to the ‘fun’ versus ‘funny’ debate, wouldn’t the latter be used as somewhat synonymous with odd or queer or unsetlingly (I can’t figure out a close enough spelling to look that up! I’m so tired.)? At least that how I read it whenever it’s used in a similar context.