Jesus H Christ. Ferries were not banned in London. Were did you get that from?
Again, attack her for what she actually said or argue with what other people actually said, not what you want them to have said.
People were told by their company not to travel. I’m assuming since they stayed put they took this order from their bosses seriously.
Iraq
Palestine/Israel/Lebanon
Darfur
Congo
Angolia
Uganda
Somalia
Sudan
Haiti
Nigeria
Indonesia
Afghanistan
Uzbekistan
Syria
I’m woefully ignorant on international affairs, but those are some I know of. I’m sure there are more.
You morons can barely manage your own country, you had to have a tin-pot dictator like Franco leading you around like sheep for fifty years, after all. Why the fuck would we want a bunch of incompetent, fuck ups from Spain helping us? We have fire fighters here in the United States. We don’t need your help, just like we didn’t need your help in Iraq if your response to terrorism is to tuck your tails between your legs and whimper out just like Al-Qaeda wanted you to do. Al-Qaeda should give you guys an award for being such disgusting cowards.
Actually, I think I could be here for 10 more years and I’d probably never see a comment that beats what you typed back there.
I realize I should have put the “in a black humor kind of way” in my original post, but please, if you’re going to quote me, do it right. “Kind of fun” is not the same as “fun.” Or at least it’s not to me, we seem to be getting into the language issues part of the cake.
Like I’ve said before, I realize my original post was written too hastily and that I made the mistake of bringing anything other than condolences to a thread about condolences. I’m sorry for causing you pain.
Wow. Ugly.
Huh? Your original post (that I was responding to) said that 3000 was much higher than any you’d heard, not 3500. Was that a typo? If so, then yeah, that’s higher. The total is the total; it includes passengers, rescue workers, people in the buildings, etc. I think it may even include a couple of people who have died since of asbestos poisoning and whatnot. The only people it doesn’t include are the hijackers.
As for “nitpicking”, I do understand your point. It came off as though you thought people were melodramatically inflating numbers for effect. My point is that that claim, rather than saying “whatever the death toll” weakens your point rather than strengthening it. Meh, whatever. In retrospect I should probably have just kept out of it. I’m going to go unsubscribe from this thread to avoid the inevitable flooding of my inbox.
Not just told, forbidden. When the person in my factory asked to travel in the ferry she was told she’d get fired if she did. She was her aunt and mother’s sole source of support (except for their pensions).
I didn’t change my vote after the March 11 bombs. But I do agree that those who did because they thought it would keep Al Qaeda away are cowards. So, sorry, Martin Hyde, if that was intended to offend me, it didn’t. As for Franco, even his fans don’t make it beyond 40 years, and when he died I was too young to do anything about it.
Read post 78. The original reference used the word ‘combatant’.
I highly doubt any of the people that were at desks in the Pentagon that morning were just grabbing a bagel before heading off to fight in combat.
No wonder you read things and think they’re stupid, you read through stupid glasses.
Well, welcome to working for a shitty company. The United States of America’s government has no means to fire employees of a private company, period. They also have no means to ground flights outside of our territorial air space without starting a war. If other countries grounded flights it was because their governments chose to do so.
I had no intentions except to convey the message that you’re from a country of fuck-ups and incompetents. Spain is like the Mexico of Western Europe and an embarrassment, in my opinion. Its people are stupid and poor, and its politicians are spineless cowards. Furthermore the Spanish can’t even deal with their own internal problems so the idea that we would want them contaminating America with their incompetence is laughable.
I know it’s a bit of a hijack, but could you explain what you think was so stupid about Mr Bus Guy’s post?
And why would anybody think they can? 
But the people making those decisions and those threats were American and not thinking with their brains at all. Their decision would have been equally imbecilic if they’d been from Bilbao.
Pearl Harbor? Auschwitz? Bataan?
Are you arguing that US behavior before WWII created the conditions that led to the surprise attack on the US, genocide and torture, then trying to draw a parallel with US behavior that led to the surprise attack on 9/11?
Sure the US didn’t supply Japan with the oil resources it thought it needed and supported the UK with the Lend Lease Act. Sure the US supported Israel and our policies are not in strict conformity with muslim extremists. And all that justifies these actions against the US and others, from which the US should seek no retribution? Is this what you’re saying?
Well you’re hear essentially crying about a few friends of yours who were inconvenienced and blaming it on America. America is a big country with a lot of people, you shouldn’t judge it based on a few managers in your company.
Just like I don’t judge Spain based on you (my already existing negative view of Spain was only reinforced by your comments here.)
Knowing the political bent of this board I knew it was a mistake to come here today.
I’m going to read this thread and then stay out for the rest of the day.
I lost some respect for you today, Nava. I know that means jack shit to you, but I recognized your name as being associated with some interesting posts. It saddens me that you would find anything about that day fun, even in a “black humor” sort of way.
Yes, that was a typo on my part, based on the numbers she gave. Sorry for the confusion; this thread is moving pretty quickly and I’m not proofreading as well as I should in an effort to keep up.
I’m not blaming it on America!
I wasn’t “trying to be offended” either. It seems like those of us who read it that way were watching it live and watching it happen over and over again in replays, and watching it happen in our country and those images are permanently imbedded in my memory that it’s the first thing I thought of.
Those of you who didn’t read it that way, may not have the same memories and feelings come up.
Ever been in the military?
Even when I had a job working in a huge computer facility on Scott AFB, it was well understood that I could be deployed at any time. Two years later I was stationed in Tuzla, Bosnia carrying a loaded firearm, ready to fire.
What is stupid about the comment is that anyone who’s in the military could be deployed anywhere at anytime, and as soon as 9/11 happened, everyone in the military was an active combatant.
If I wanted to quote you 100% correctly, rest assured I would have put it in a quote tag. I was paraphrasing.
I’ve said enough, too. I don’t want your non-apology apology. I’m out of this thread, goodbye.