Neil Armstrong's Post-Apollo Career

After the Apollo missions, Neil Armstrong retreated into the relative obscurity of a quiet life in academia and business.

This paragraph on his Wikipedia page, however, raises some questions for me.

In this context, is serving on the board of directors more of an honorary position, or one with actual power (and an executive salary)?

I’m also not clear on whether or not he was wealthy. He seems to have traveled around quite a bit - although I suppose many of his travels were on other peoples’ dimes - but he also, as recently as 1979, was working on his farm (although could have been just a hobby for all I know).

Anyone have any more information?

Board of directors is not an honorary position. The management of the corporation reports to the board of directors, which is responsible for the overall direction of the company. Directors can be personally liable to the shareholders and to others for their management decisions, which is why directors normally carry directors’ insurance against their potential personal civil liability.

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OK, cracked.com is a humor website, however, its facts are as check-able as any others you might find in Wikipedia, or other source for that matter. I bring it up, in part, because I suspect you may have had it in mind when you asked you question. The cute thing about that article, is comparing Neil Armstrong to the #2 footprint man on the moon – Buzz Lightye—urm, ahem Aldrin.

Neil Armstrong is quite the enigma. I always thought his line “One small step …” was a little too cute to be off the cuff, and I doubted NASA would risk bad PR from a random off the cuff statement. I’ve said so before on these boards, and I was told that I simply underestimated the the intelligence of a US airforce fighter pilot. It seems to me, the more we try to understand him, the murkier the topic becomes, buried under jingoism and prejudices.

As a matter of fact, I read that very article, and it’s what prompted this thread.

I can’t speak to Neil Armstrong’s personal wealth, but someone with that resume probably left a high 7 figure, low 8 figure estate. So would be considered “pretty comfortably wealth.”

A director is never “honorary”, they always have voting power. How important an individual director’s position is will vary a lot.

It’s probably worth quickly (or as quickly as I can) explaining corporate structure.

A typical corporation, the “boss” of the corporation is usually someone with the title CEO (sometimes President, and often times one person will be have both the President & CEO title.) A CEO “reports” to a board of directors. The board doesn’t normally have a ton of day-to-day involvement in the management of the company, at least not “the board in whole”, although individual board members might. The concept of the board of directors, is they represent the interests of the shareholders of the company. They ultimately have the ability to hire/fire the CEO and to take important votes on various issues of corporate governance.

There are broadly two types of directors–inside, and outside. An inside director is someone with a pretty deep, personal involvement in the company. A typical example would be someone who is say, a retired founder, or a large shareholder in the company, might sit on the board personally. Sometimes the CEO, and other top executive officers are also given board seats (and that makes them very obviously “inside” board members.)

An outside director is someone with no materially significant ties to the company. They don’t work at the company, and are not major shareholders. Neil Armstrong was an outside director at those listed companies.

Now, why would they want Neil Armstrong? Outside directors are often semi-famous or outright very famous public figures (retired congressmen/senators, governors, or even former Presidents), or well known business men/CEOs of other companies or retired businessmen who worked at other companies. So Neil Armstrong obviously kinda fits that profile.

Why do they want people who are total outsiders, who don’t have any real expertise in the business? Mostly because an outside director isn’t expected to be heavily involved in the running of the company. Instead, they’re just supposed to be “independent, trustworthy people.” To main street investors and institutional shareholders, inside directors are “good” because they are deeply knowledgeable about the business, can assist (or are part of) the executive team and etc, but outside directors provide a level of “independence” from the company. The theory is Neil isn’t a former co-worker of the CEO, isn’t best buds with the CFO or etc, so he’s a trustworthy, independent and well known person and thus suitable to function as an outside director.

Note that in the corporate bylaws there is almost never any legal difference between an outside and an inside director. Any elevated powers an inside director has will be based on additional positions they hold with the company (be it an actual executive-level managerial position, special consulting positions etc.) It’s also worth noting that how independent an outside director is varies pretty wildly, and the “broad perception” is most outside directors are selected in part being buddies of the CEO or et cetera which kind of short circuits the independence criteria I mentioned above. Sometimes they are more genuinely independent though, that’s all going to vary wildly from one corporation to the next, based on how powerful the CEO is, if the corporation has a diffuse ownership structure or if one very wealthy/powerful shareholder owns most of the voting shares etc.

Most importantly, an outside director, they generally just attend board meetings and cast votes. That means it’s a very hands off job. An inside director often is very involved day to day, and wouldn’t have time to perform that same role for multiple companies. But an outside director can sit on a half dozen boards and still not come anywhere close to working full time.

During the time Armstrong was on corporate boards, the compensation for an outside director would be “relatively” low. Probably $5-10k/yr, usually with some periodic stock grants, retention bonuses, and also usually a slate of nice “perks” from being on the board. This has changed somewhat in the past 15-20 years, especially with Sarbanes-Oxley. Directors are now held to higher standards, usually have higher workloads, and face higher personal risks due to their board seat. Consequently, pay is a lot higher for directors now than it was in the 1980s or early 90s. But the workload is also higher. There are fewer directors now who fit the old mold of “attend only the quarterly meetings and occasional cast votes”, usually now a director will be on at least one committee–compensation committee, audit committee or etc, and being on those board committees requires more regular meetings and deeper involvement in the company.

He spent 8 years as a Professor of Aerospace Engineering at the University of Cincinnati.

Alas, he never acted in any more movies …

Armstrong was a private man. It’s that simple. He met the obligations that came with his primary achievement, and accepted the rewards that came his way from both that and his very distinguished education and other career efforts, and avoided “celebrity” in every respect.

Nothing mysterious or murky about that except to a generation that knows what color tampon each of the Kardashian sisters prefers.

That, or he was really just a CGI persona created to star in the fake moon landing films.

Serving on the Board of large companies like this is a well-compensated position (especially as it’s not a full time job).

For example, one of those listed, United Airlines currently pays Directors $144,913 salary plus about $40,000 more in Stock options, bonuses, etc., for an average total of $183,134 per year.

Another one, Eaton Corp, currently pays an average of $222,925 to it’s directors.

So being on the Board of Directors of 8 of these companies is financially rewarding.

I don’t think anyone ever said it was an off the cuff remark. Armstrong knew he was going to be the first man on the moon for quite some time before he became so. And he knew he was going to be broadcast. Even if he never discussed what he might say with anyone, I’m sure he spent some time deciding what he was going to say.

He had intended to say “One small step for A man…” It didn’t quite come out that way.

Yes, and he did not discuss the moon landing that much and it did not come to be his only thing. Someone who was at his funeral/wake said(on the radio, I forget who) that if you didn’t know he’d been to the moon, you wouldn’t guess it from the funeral/wake. His kids and relatives talked entirely about his golf game and other aspects of his daily life. The moon was just one thing he did.

It’s debatable. It may have come out just right. He said it did and I believe him.

yes, it’s always been a standing debate whether he flubbed his one big line. No wonder he never starred in any more movies… :slight_smile:

Directors typically consist of big names from other businesses. It’s basically a giant circle jerk, except for a few tokens tossed in to provide diversity or prestige - astronaut, former president, etc.

Consider the board of IBM - quintessential “big business”. 10 CEO’s, presidents, or chairmen of assorted other huge businesses, IBM’s own CEO and two token academia members.

Basically, the board is supposed to oversee the direction of the company - approve major initiatives (“we want to build a new factory complex in Mexico”) and most interestingly, sets CEO and other senior execs’ salaries. Presumably the CEO of IBM does not have to argue too strenuously to the head of Boeing, Caterpillar or Dow that CEO’s need to be paid lots - which explains current CEO salary inflation. (Plus, the company pays for insurance to ensure that any lawsuits targeting directors’ decisions are taken care of.)

OTOH, the board meets a few times a year and presumably, participation levels are optional, especially for figurehead members. So presumably Armstrong would be paid over a million dollars for a few days’ work a year which could have consisted of showing up and looking important, having a few publicity pictures taken.

I was lucky enough to see him at one of his rare public appearances, at Oshkosh Air Show panel in the late 1980’s - which apparently featured perhaps the largest assembly of men who had walked on the moon.

His official biography, which came out about 10 years ago, was awfully boring. :frowning: Prior to that, some bios were printed, but they were always aimed at children and contained information that could easily have been gleaned from sources like “Time” magazine.

They were broadcasting from the moon. If you watched it live as I did on a small TV He clearly did not say A. On the other hand, there did seem to be a pause there, It’s easy to believe he said “A man” and the “A” got dropped some place in the 200,000+ miles transmission.

While officially board members have significant power, in reality they almost always rubber stamp what the company execs put before them.

In particular, given the nice income and perqs for very little work, it is quite important to rubber stamp in order to keep the money flowing. And, as in Armstrong’s case, this leads to being on the board of several companies. If you went renegade and voted against the execs’ recommendations, you would find that no other company would put you on their board and you would be replaced on the board when your term was up.

The Master’s take on Armstrong’s big line.

On the contrary, it contained quite a lot of new information about the Apollo years, for instance that during the planning for the Apollo missions, he seriously considered dropping Aldrin for Jim Lovell and only decided against it since he thought that Lovell deserved to command his own landing.