Neil Gaiman accused of being serial sexual abuser

One girl.

Rape is rape. Gaiman did a lot of rape.

Rape, on the other hand, is.

To you, maybe. I have no doubt at all.

Good thing this is not a law court, isn’t it.

Gaiman is free to try and sue me.

Scarlett Pavlovich tried to lay a charge and the New Zealand police (and Amanda Palmer) screwed her over.

I was not addressing any comparison to Polanski. I was strictly addressing your mention of a crime, incorrectly identified as slander, for which a person might get sued if they wrote that Gaiman is or has been a rapist. My point was that, although not brought up on criminal charges, if Gaiman sued someone for defamation, that person could present all the evidence they wanted that pointed to Gaiman’s guilt, something that he might not want addressed in an open public forum.

p.s. the past tense of “plead” is “pled.”

Other possible victims.

No evidence of that.

Cite?

You arent talking about just you, you are suggesting the term “rapist” be universal.

Ursula Le Guin was the author in residence for a week at the Clarion Workshop. She was a wonderful person, extremely approachable, and utterly wise and serene.

I’ve been in the field of f&sf for over a half century now. I will tell you without naming names that many, many of your favorite writers in the genre are not good people, although they inhabit a sliding scale from unpleasant to despicable. I don’t have enough proof to say that is true of every creative field known to humanity, but I strongly believe that to be true.

Being merely human myself I find that I make my decisions case-by-case without any overarching moral principle. I can’t even imagine what possible morality could apply to all of them so that I could simply say yes or no. Humans don’t work that way. Even fanatics find reasons to make individual exceptions.

Not in his criminal case.

Testimony is evidence.

Cite

Pavlovich’s lawsuit states that she filed a police report in New Zealand, accusing Gaiman of sexual assault, but she alleges “the police took no action because Palmer refused to talk to them”.

Gaiman is free to sue anyone who goes along with me, too.

Nitpick: In legal contexts, “pleaded” is the convention.

Thank you, I stand corrected.

As long as you don’t have anything negative to say about Harlan Ellison, I’ll be fine!

Your own cite says 'alleges". Pavlovich’s lawsuit states that she filed a police report in New Zealand, accusing Gaiman of sexual assault, but she alleges “the police took no action because Palmer refused to talk to them”. There apparently is no record of this.

Only down south. “Pled” is the proper form farther North and across the pond.

I am offended by this comment. I have a lot of friends with “kinky sex lives”. I have a friend who used to help organize the local BDSM convention. What Gaiman is accused of doing is rape. What Gaiman has admitted to doing is sex with lots of young women who were not in a position to say “no” without serious consequences. That’s not “kink”. That’s abusive behavior.

Some day the world will catch up with us. :grin:

Yes, although I have read that his early biographers downplayed the extent to which he enjoyed the company of adult women, in an attempt to preserve his reputation (which, to modern sensibilities, has somewhat backfired).

Source:

…from whence also:

Other than being famously short tempered and angry, there was the time he grabbed Connie Willis’s breast at the Hugos.

Harlan was another teacher at Clarion. He can’t be fixed on a one-dimensional scale. He needed at least six.

I was only half-joking. I knew he was a colossal asshole but I didn’t know about the grabbing.

Read the introduction “Ellison Exegesis” by J. Michael Straczynski to the 2024 book The Last Dangerous Visions. I knew that Ellison was a liar and unpleasant. I learned in that introduction that he was also crazy.

All I needed to figure that out was reading one of his short stories, which I genuinely wish I had never read. (I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream.)

Cool story. Scarred for life.

Yeah, i gotta say, i assumed from his fiction that he was an asshole.

I’m sure his many nonfiction writings would give you a similar impression :grinning: (though I enjoyed many of them, he writes with a lot of charisma). I actually like reading Ellison, but I can’t imagine enjoying hanging out with someone that hyper-opinionated and difficult. He had an opinion on everything and his lifelong “suffer no fools” mantra comes off as insufferable.

Apparently he could be pretty generous and loyal to his friends - he apparently still had some at the end of his life. One of those complicated guys like the late Joe Strummer. But like him frequently an abrasive asshole with nobody to blame but himself for his various shitty reputations. Well, I guess that and his undiagnosed until late-in-life bipolar disease.