You could hire a million people at a dollar a day. Maybe they would all be famous for 15 minutes.
Maybe the idea is, that if you are a Democratic candidate other than Bloomberg, and you want to scare other people away from supporting him because he is rich, because this suggests that somehow he will be out of touch or whatever, then the more you get people to realize exactly how rich he is, the more they will be scared. IOW, the point is not that Bloomberg should be faulted for getting rich per se, but that those riches can be used against him even if there is no hard and fast evidence that being rich means you will be a horrible president.
ETA: Preemptively adding that I don’t think Trump is a horrible president because he is rich, but instead because he is a fool…and worse.
Well she was looking for something specific: actual offensive things; that he could be quoted on; and on prime time tv; in the book. It’s a reasonable cite given her point.
I thought the issue of “billionaires,” especially in the estimation of the size of such a fortune, had to do wth fairness, and taxation, not electibility of a particular person.
I tend to agree with this. The Sanders and Warren strategy is to inflect on Bloomberg that a rich guy will not want to raise taxes on the rich; he’s gonna raise your taxes to pay for all the stuff he wants to do. While each of them tends to favor more taxes for the rich, instead of you. Standard us/them strategy.
Andy Warhol certainly thought so, but I don’t remember him crunching any budget numbers for it.
We disagree on whether that cite is reasonable, and I don’t think it is because Bloomberg wasn’t talking about someone who worked for him or that he knew. It was of course about the Royal Family, and seems to be a joke in very bad taste. Warren should have picked an example where he is harassing women in the workplace, and it would of had credence. For instance, you can find numerous charges made in the Sekiko Sakai Garrison case. So I’m just saying, when you make accusations, make those that apply directly. I think Warren is better than this, and maybe just got a bit desperate.
Maybe Liz’ point was this: Even Princess Margaret is a woman. Maybe that’s where we are in 2020. Anything wrong with that?
Your framing is very sinplified towards a more cynical view. I don’t think this is fair to the progressive campaigns at all. They are both committed to the redress of income equality, which is a hell of a lot bigger issue than electoral strategy. They want bloomie to pay his share, with all of the others. The fact that he is there as a living illustration of this is not their fault.
If you took a billion people and put them on the Be Famous For 15 Minutes show, it would run for 28,617.217 years (rounded & not accounting for leap years, power outages, wars, acts of God).
I’m first, the line forms behind me.
Hm. Of all the factoids in all the forums you have to walk into mine. Based on this I’ll just join the gang and vote for trump.
But is that fair to Bloomberg? The guy is spending hundreds of millions on gun control, climate change initiatives and other philanthropy. He may be against a wealth tax but I’d be damned surprised if he wasn’t on the Buffet side of the argument that rich people should pay more. I’m having trouble finding his position on that specifically addressed.
Is what fair? I’m not giving him wealth inequalty cred based on what I know about him. Are you?
It’s hard to feature him as that when he is a republican who has been called in to prevent fair and reasonable democratic socialism from becoming a thing in the national US election. My view is that it’s past time for it, and he is an absurd presence in the race.
Lastly you do understand that he had the opportunity to say what you just said, on tv, and didn’t. Are we supposed to project his platform onto him?
I will pay more’: Bloomberg unveils $5 trillion tax plan targeting the wealthy and corporations
Obviously, much less aggressive than some.
I get it but this whole thing misses the point that liz and bernie are making a structural critique, not one of him personally. Bloombergs good intentions are just one person.
They are making principled criticisms of the system. yet people just want to say that they are making it an us vs them scenario for their own gain, rich vs poor, a grudge match for the ages I suppose. Bullshit. Very cynical and a good right wing play to make everyone as guilty as they are and muddy the waters for oligarch rule.
I thought this was very interesting: Judge Shira Scheindlin (Who Ruled On ‘Stop And Frisk’) Fact-Checks Bloomberg And Biden At Debate (5:28 video).
Bloomberg was already not going to get the nomination, but Judge Scheindlin really lets us know why he shouldn’t, both for his actions in the past and for his actions at the debate. She slams Biden nicely too.
I’m curious, are you referring to my post or those like one I saw today about how if you lived in ancient Egypt and saved $10,000 a day etc.
If to my post I don’t see how pointing out just what a billion dollars really means hurts anything. I don’t know if it helps, but the real point is that no business or invention is worth that much money. Maybe if someone cures cancer all by himself, he gets to keep $100 billion.
First it feels like a monty python bit to have to explain it in a lot of ways to dems, when those on the right are just saying “Soros” and the crowd knows exactly what the deal is. It makes me suspicious that this so called confusion about what a billion dollars is might be overstated.
When a dem does something twice, like explain something in a patronizing way, or even to investigate, or maybe impeach somebody, it has had zero or negative effect. It is a source for trolling and anti left propaganda, even in the halls of congress.
Second how informative are the examples? What do they mean other than muddy water?
I don’t know if someone who can’t grasp a thousand millions should be voting. It might be dangerous at this time. I mean you are voting on a trillion dollar budget etc. and yet to keep you from voting for dt you need special pud pulling from the democratic party to tell you how much a billion is.
You probably meant to link this video. ‘Totally Wrong’: Fed. Judge Who Ruled On ‘Stop And Frisk’ Fact-Checks Bloomberg And Biden At Debate